Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Norwich City F.C.

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted 21:24, 28 April 2007.

Norwich City F.C.

This article has undergone around five hundred edits in the past month or so removing all POV (one of the primary editors is an Ipswich supporter!) and adding citations to all claims. A number of images have been added and overall the page has been enhanced to a point where it has now become suitable as a candidate for featured article. It has also undergone a successful peer review.

This is a semi-self-nom, along with User:Dweller. The Rambling Man 15:55, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support: an excellent article with some excellent free photography (in particular, I think that this image is remarkably atmospheric and captures the mood of a football final perfectly). Laïka 18:24, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

As the photographer of the photo you've highlighted, may I thank you for your kind words! MLS - Mls11 00:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oldelpaso's comment

Comment These points are too minor for an oppose, but could do with seeing to:

~~"it was referred to as 'The eighth wonder of the world'" By whom?~~

Done Fair. I've added a bit more text and an additional citation for this. The Rambling Man 20:16, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~The Stadia section has a bit of a jump from 1935 to the present day, it could be worth adding more meat by using material from Carrow Road.~~

Doing... Agreed, a paragraph more is in order... The Rambling Man 20:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Expanded section considerably... The Rambling Man 12:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

~~There's a little inconsistency in use of Norwich is / Norwich are.~~ Oldelpaso 19:47, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doing... Forgive my stupidity, could you point out the specific areas, there isn't a single "Norwich is" so I guess you're referring to "the club is" etc? The Rambling Man 20:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Done Think I've got it - is->are so was->were... changes made. The Rambling Man 15:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
...and then corrected by User:Dweller! The Rambling Man 16:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, sorry. It's not easy getting this right. "Norwich" is plural, "Norwich City F.C." is singular and "the club" is singular. I'm looking through the article for this. Please let me know if there are inconsistencies to this that I've not yet spotted. --Dweller 16:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, its was use of the discretionary plural in general, looks to be sorted now. Oldelpaso 18:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support all issues resolved. Oldelpaso 18:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jayron32's oppose support

Fixes needed before I can lend my support. This is close, but still needs work:
- Lead does not adequately summarize the article. See WP:LEAD. Some things that need to be mentioned in the lead: Which level does the club play in now? When were they relegated to that level? What players are the all-time club leaders in goals, assists, games played? Any particularly notable managers?
We've followed the pattern established by similar FA articles, Arsenal F.C. and Ipswich Town F.C.. The Lead guidlines don't really allow for a much longer article and details of individuals in the Lead for an article about the club seems inappropriate. However, I'll certainly add the level the club is playing at - I thought it was there already! --Dweller 10:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Confused. Level is there. --Dweller 10:35, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Notable players is inadequate. While not every player needs be listed here, what about the club's best players from history? Surely the top scorers or capped players bears some mention here?~~
As above, this follows the pattern of the other FA articles -we're avoiding POV, pointing to main articles which cover the issue better. --Dweller 07:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, a couple more could be added to Statistics and records - the all time record scorer and most capped international perhaps. A list of all capped players might be rather long if all nations were included. Oldelpaso 18:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Doing...Nice ideas. --Dweller 18:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
DoneNow done... I'll ask my favourite gnome to fix the ref. --Dweller 14:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Norwich City In Pop Cult. section is inadequate. Generally, Pop Culture sections are deprecated, though its existance is not really the problem. Its existance as a single sentance section is. If this can't be expanded, can we find a way to fold this into another section?
Done Commented out, pending further additions or merging into another section. --Dweller 10:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- ~~Consider a separate sources/further reading section for the general sources (those listed under references but not specifically footnoted).~~
Done Nice idea. --Dweller 11:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I will lend my support if the above fixes can be made.--Jayron32|talk|contribs 02:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Support Substantially similar to other Football Club FA's and all of my fixes have been addressed adequately. I now support this. --Jayron32|talk|contribs 18:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cas Liber's comments

~~Comment~~Support - nearly theregood enough for me. A couple of things. The lead comes across as, well, spartan- with prose more perfunctory rather than brilliant. Surely there are a couple of details that can add a teensy bit of colour?

History section para 5 - should be mixed fortunes not mixed achevements (?)
DoneI've fixed this to say mixed fortunes, hope that's what was wanted! The Rambling Man 14:50, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

cheers, Cas Liber | talk | contribs 13:19, 24 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Daniel Bryant's support

Support, everything seems to be in order. One thing, though - the Friendship Trophy section is very bare. Is it annual, or do SAFC and NCFC play each other twice a year? If they meet in the FA Cup etc. (in addition than the Championship), do they play for the Friendship Trophy, or is only Championship fixtures? What's the current Win/Draw/Loss record since the Cup was created? Is there actually a cup (the sentence reads "an honour dating back to a comaraderie forged between fans of the two club during the 1980s and early 90s", which doesn't exactly clarify whether they're playing for a metaphorical or literal piece of silverwear)? If it's real, when was the first time they actually played for it? Otherwise, a very good article. Cheers, Daniel Bryant 03:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Thanks for that. I've made a small amend to clarify that it's an actual trophy (shown in the reference). I'm concerned about expanding this too much, as it's a very minor honour (as can be guessed by the fact that only 2 clubs can ever win it!) and am therefore reluctant to add a full statistical record. The article is specific and accurate that it's contested whenever the clubs meet - the teams don't meet in order to play for the Trophy. I've clarified the first meeting. I hope that does the trick. --Dweller 08:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.