Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Norman Hunter (footballer)/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was archived by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 18 August 2024 [1].

Norman Hunter (footballer)

Nominator(s): PearlyGigs (talk) 11:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about an English international footballer of the 1960s and 1970s. During his career, Norman Hunter was one of the most famous players in England, largely because of his persona as one of the game's "hard men". The article discusses his playing and management career but places emphasis on his style, technique, and personality which combined to make him exceptional in footballing terms. He was an early victim of COVID-19 and it is fair to say that his death shocked the nation. Norman's stature in British sport is immense and I believe he would fully merit the honour of a featured article. PearlyGigs (talk) 11:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

The article would benefit from a thorough copy-editing to improve clarity and flow

There are also a number of style issues, eg fixed px sizes and multiple geographic links

Multiple source links are dead, eg FNs 37 and 55

Citation style needs editing for consistency. For example, FN33 is the same work that is otherwise cited using short citations

What makes National-Football-Teams.com a high-quality reliable source? Soccerbase? Daily Mirror? Goodreads? Nikkimaria (talk) 13:16, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Nikkimaria, and thanks for the feedback. I think I will be able to address points 2 to 5, but I wonder if you could enlarge on your doubt about flow by giving me an example of, say, one paragraph which you had to re-read? The article assumes that readers have some knowledge of football, so perhaps there are parts of it where I need to provide additional explanation; I know the game's terminology can be somewhat enigmatic. PearlyGigs (talk) 15:39, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I’m going to have to agree with the oppose here. There’s some POV statements written in WP’s voice that need to be either taken out or rephrased to say whose opinion they are. (“Hunter was usually perceived as a physical player only, but he was actually a very skilful player” - and “he was actually a very skilful player” is poorly done too. “Arsenal where, predictably enough, they were beaten” is another example). There are also several times where the phrasing needs a lot of tightening to bring it into line with an encyclopaedic tone, and away from WP:IDIOM-filled phrasing. - SchroCat (talk) 16:41, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, SchroCat. That's useful. I can work on that sort of phraseology. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:47, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coord note -- based on the above this nom does seem underprepared; sourcing issues, and copyediting for tone, should be dealt with outside FAC so I'm going to archive this shortly and suggest peer review and/or mentoring before any future nom. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 18:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been archived, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 18:02, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough. Thanks, Ian. PearlyGigs (talk) 18:48, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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