Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Mötley Crüe (album)/archive1
I've done a huge re-write of this article, listed all facts and information from reliable sources, and have made sure to remove any POV that was originally present. I've requested this article to be Peer Reviewed and have also submitted it for grading on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Albums/Assessment page. I have not heard any feedback from either section. Any comments and/or suggestions are appreciated, I hope this article gets featured. Darwin's Bulldog 21:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Object Nice work, however the lead is insufficent, and the article lacks the level of inline citation necessary for an FA. Could also do with a copy edit throughout the text. + Ceoil 22:32, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
- Oppose Lead way too small (two quick sentences, no meat), not enough refs, too much unreferenced text, prose is not wikipedia's best...the writing needs to be more captivating, it bores me, doesn't interest me in the subject. I think this article is way too short (read: not thorough) for an FA. —ExplorerCDT 00:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Object per above. Nat91 03:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Is there a standard amount of refs neceissary for an article such as this? Also, could I have some suggestions as to what other info I could add? I feel I've hit most of the bases, personnel details, lyrical content, chart info... at this moment in time, I feel additional info on those topics would be superfluous. What other angles should I hit? Darwin's Bulldog 08:54, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Also, I'm a little cautious as to were, or how many times I should list the references. For example, I feel obligated to put a reference immedatley following a quote, but in other cases, should I place the ref(s) at the end of the paragraph as opposed to the end of each sentence? Darwin's Bulldog 10:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Read WP:FN - refs generally go at the end of the sentence, or after mid-sentence punctuation, but there are instances where you need to reference a particular word or phrase mid-sentence. Use common sense to let readers know what the note is referencing - put at the end of the sentence when you can. Refs are necessary for any direct quote, number, statistic, or statement likely to be questioned or challenged, and should certainly be given for any personal bio info. You also should avoid submitting an article to FAC at the same time you submit it to peer review - that could be viewed as an abuse of the editors who put time and effort into reviewing articles - a long stint at peer review, and a good amount of time to correct deficiencies is helpful before approaching FAC. The PR instructions clearly state that they can remove any request that becomes an FAC candidate, so you should choose one or the other.Sandy (Talk) 15:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- I prefer doing PR first, so the FAC goes smoother as most of the issues are already taken care of through the PR process. —[[User:ExplorerCDT|Explor
- There is no "standard" number of references, just that the criteria says the article should be a thorough treatment of the subject and that it be well-referenced (among other things). I don't think the article at this point is either well-referenced or thorough. For an idea of what I do when I reference an article (which should give you an idea of how much and what kind of referencing I'd like to see on an article), see Paulins Kill (currently an FAC) or Joyce Kilmer (my current project). —ExplorerCDT 18:43, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Read WP:FN - refs generally go at the end of the sentence, or after mid-sentence punctuation, but there are instances where you need to reference a particular word or phrase mid-sentence. Use common sense to let readers know what the note is referencing - put at the end of the sentence when you can. Refs are necessary for any direct quote, number, statistic, or statement likely to be questioned or challenged, and should certainly be given for any personal bio info. You also should avoid submitting an article to FAC at the same time you submit it to peer review - that could be viewed as an abuse of the editors who put time and effort into reviewing articles - a long stint at peer review, and a good amount of time to correct deficiencies is helpful before approaching FAC. The PR instructions clearly state that they can remove any request that becomes an FAC candidate, so you should choose one or the other.Sandy (Talk) 15:12, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
- Also, I'm a little cautious as to were, or how many times I should list the references. For example, I feel obligated to put a reference immedatley following a quote, but in other cases, should I place the ref(s) at the end of the paragraph as opposed to the end of each sentence? Darwin's Bulldog 10:23, 28 December 2006 (UTC)