Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Low Memorial Library/archive1

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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 11 October 2022 [1].

Low Memorial Library

Nominator(s): Epicgenius (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about the original library building constructed on Columbia University's Morningside Heights campus from 1895 to 1897. Great care was taken in designing this building, which was literally the centerpiece of the campus. Named after the father of Columbia president Seth Low (and ironically the highest point of the original campus), the structure is shaped like a Greek cross, with a limestone-and-granite facade and an ornate domed rotunda. The Low Memorial Library had space for 500,000 volumes but was inadequate as a library. It was converted into offices in 1934 but remains a prominent fixture on the Columbia campus.

This page was promoted as a Good Article ten months ago after a GA review by GhostRiver, for which I am very grateful. In addition, the page received a GOCE copyedit a few months ago from Baffle gab1978, whose efforts I also appreciate. I think it's up to FA quality now, and I look forward to all comments and feedback. Epicgenius (talk) 15:27, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Suggest adding alt text
- Done. Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
File:Trustees_room_at_Columbia_University_MG_0908.JPG: to which work(s) is the PD-expired tag believed to apply?
- It applies to the portrait at the center. But given that this image was taken by a banned user with a history of copyright problems, I'm considering removing it. Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - If this is kept, we will need tags for the other works pictured. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
File:Low_Library2.jpg: where was this first published?
- If you're asking about the original digitized source, it is the Library of Congress. Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  - The current tagging suggests this was published before 1927 - where? Nikkimaria (talk) 16:21, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
File:Low_library_1897.jpg: given the date this cannot be own work, and where/when was this first published?
- Removed. I can't find the original source online (though a copy of the original is available on Columbia's website). Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
File:Columbia_Book_Slide.jpg: where was this first published?
- Also removed. I can't find the original source online. Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
File:AlmaMater2020.png needs a tag for the original work. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:34, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. Thanks for the image review Nikkimaria. Epicgenius (talk) 13:48, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Support from ErnestKrause

Fairly nicely written and organized article about this well-known tourist visiting spot in NYC. Would it be of any interest to possibly consider adding a section dealing with the artistic renderings of the building as it has been visited by artists and moviemakers over the past several decades, such as here: [2]. It seems like I've seen in several NYC movies such as the ones by Woody Allen and other directors. Also architects have made artistic renderings of high quality, etc. Could you consider such a section for this article. As a separate point, the lead section should say more about the centrality of the building to the campus, it needs more emphasis as the cornerstone for the entire campus, rather than just simple focal point; you already have some of this in the section on this topic which you could move up into the lead section. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:24, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments ErnestKrause. I've edited the lead to emphasize the fact that Low is actually at the center of Columbia's Morningside Heights campus (the university has since expanded to another campus in nearby Manhattanville, hence the clarification). I'm working on adding some information about media appearances, including film and artwork. Unfortunately, so far, I haven't been able to find many reliable secondary sources, although the university's own website has a couple of pages describing film appearances. Epicgenius (talk) 17:08, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There is also the Wikipedia article Columbia University in popular culture. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:10, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up. After I saw your initial comment, I actually looked at that article to determine whether any of the content there could be used on the Low Memorial Library page with a reliable source. There do seem to be a few details that can be used, e.g. the bit about the song Nappy Heads (although the source itself does not mention the library). – Epicgenius (talk) 12:45, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, I haven't had any luck finding reliable sources for these works of popular culture (the only results mentioning "Nappy Heads" and Low Library, for example, are Wikipedia mirrors). There are quite a few mentions in less reliable sources, though: 1, 2, 3, 4. I did find some stuff related to live events, such as Masterpieces of 20th Century Electronic Music, but these are things that may fit better in the "History" section. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:01, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here might be a better link with about a dozen images here [3]. It seems to be RS. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:34, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I have now placed that source in the article, although the reference mentions Low Library in connection with only two films. – Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Joining for support of this candidate. In case you might have an interest in other nominations on this page, I've recently listed the popular culture personality Yuzuru Hanyu Olympic seasons as a candidate here if you might have time to leave some support/oppose comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 22:05, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks @ErnestKrause, I appreciate it. I may take a look at that later. – Epicgenius (talk) 18:41, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinator comment

This nomination has been open for a month and there is little sign of a consensus to promote forming. Unless it attracts further interest over the next three or four days I am afraid that it is liable to be archived. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:38, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's been on my to-do-list for about that long, - I hope to get to it next week. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Gerda

Support after I read the article and found nothing to question. Thank you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vaticidalprophet

No, I'm not dead.

Claiming this to comment and ultimately hopefully support. If I haven't written anything in three days, leave a note on my talk. Vaticidalprophet 18:24, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source review - pass

Will do this one. Hog Farm _Talk 20:19, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

""National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. January 23, 2007." - any chance there's a way to link directly to something, rather than force the reader to go through the obnoxious NRIS search box if they want to follow this?
What makes Joy of Museums high-quality RS?
"Columbia University (1901). Columbia University: Kings College founded in the province of New York by royal charter in the reign of George II perpetuated as Columbia College. Internet Archive. Knickerbocker Press. p. 3. Retrieved September 24, 2021." - looks like you're currently using Internet Archive as the |webiste=parameter. I think the |via= parameter is closer to what you're wanting.
""Low Library" (PDF). Event Management. Archived (PDF) from the original on May 16, 2022. Retrieved September 25, 2021." - should be specified that this is related to Columbia University, the current citation doesn't make that clear?

Spot-checked about 5 or so references, no issues noted with that. Hog Farm _Talk 20:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hog Farm, thanks for the review. I've replaced the Joy of Museums source, and I've formatted the 1901 Columbia reference and the Event Management reference. I will fix the 2007 NRIS citation tomorrow, since I think there may be a better source available. – Epicgenius (talk) 00:47, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have now replaced the NRIS citation with a PDF detailing when the building was added to the NRHP. – Epicgenius (talk) 13:28, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support by Lee Vilenski

I'll begin a review of this article very soon! My reviews tend to focus on prose and MOS issues, especially on the lede, but I will also comment on anything that could be improved. I'll post up some comments below over the next couple days, which you should either respond to, or ask me questions on issues you are unsure of. I'll be claiming points towards the wikicup once this review is over.

Lede

Previously when you've used "facade" there's been an accent on the c. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For a building called "memorial", I'd expect at least a glancing mention of what it is in memorial of. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Prose

campus[5][6] in Manhattan, New York City.[1 - I know you are using these cites to show it's on the campus' location, but the cites can go at the end. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments

Additionally, if you liked this review, or are looking for items to review, I have some at my nominations list. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:09, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I tried pretty hard to nitpick, but I couldn't find much more than the above, happy to support Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:54, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:33, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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