Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Karma in Hinduism/archive1

The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted 03:52, 21 April 2007.

Karma in Hinduism

Peer review

I would like to nominate the article Karma in Hinduism, as a featured article.

Thanks,

Raj2004 17:33, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I found this article very facinating, it's well written and it contains the points of views in a strangely neutral way. Although I have to tell you nominating this directly to Feature Article is a gutsy move. -凶 05:30, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object - four external jumps in the text (which need to be converted to references). geocities.com is an unreliable source as it is a personal website, web references need formatting to include title, date, author (if applicable), last accessed date. See Also section comes before references and one sentence paragraphs make the article fail 1a which asks for brilliant prose. M3tal H3ad 05:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose (for now), some subheader sections are far too short --82.36.182.217 22:19, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose/Question Has this made it to Good Article level yet? I hope opposing this article douse not get me some bad Karma.! Max 06:36, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object. Article is quite vague with several presumptions about the reader. Also, there is another article Kurma and Korma. I don't see any distinction. Plus, it does not help derive an understanding of idolatry. Also, there is plenty of POV and OR in the opening paragraphs. I have tagged some. Anwar 12:10, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Anwar, karma is very different from Kurma and Korma and is pronounced differently.Raj2004 00:16, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Raj, WP:DFTT. Anwar is back to his dirty tricks again, as noted by Nobleeagle (talk · contribs).Baka man 04:41, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. This is certainly one of the better/more-neutrally-voiced of the Hindu articles, but I think it needs some work before it can be considered for Features Article Status. My main concerns fall into the following category,
1. References: I think many more statements in the article need inline references and a broader range of references should be considered. Note that 7 of the listed references (nos. 3-10) are used for a single paragraph in "The Role of God" section. Also the two sentences, "Some interpretations of certain verses in the Bhagavad Gita[18] suggests an intermediate view, that karma is a law of cause and effect yet God can mitigate karma for His devotees. Another view holds that a Sadguru, acting on God's behalf, can mitigate or work out some of the karma of the disciple." are repeated twice in the article and account for 8 references all by themselves (nos. 7-10 and 18-21).
2. Copyediting: Some heavy copy-editing is needed to (1) have the article comply with FA standards and (2) make it understandable to audiences who are not already familiar with the topic (this would mean that all non-English terms such as Sadguru, need to be defined or explained), (3) make sure that all statements are in the voice of the encyclopedia and not that of a believer/critic (this article is better than most Hinduism articles in this aspect !)
3. Comprehensiveness: Perhaps some related issues should be considered, (1) what role does the belief in karma play in the life of a Hindu and Hindu society ?, (2) has the principle affected Indian history or jurisprudence ? I realize that some of these issues are perhaps more relevant to the Karma article and others may not have been discussed in reliable, published sources - so I am throwing this point out more for idea-generation sake, rather than as an objection.

I think it may be better to withdraw the FA nomination (if that is possible) at this point, and instead put up the article for peer-review and invite inputs from editors who are knowledgeable in the subject and editors who are unfamiliar with it. Either ways, I'll try to do my bit to further improve the article in the coming days/weeks. Regards. Abecedare 23:48, 11 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I agree with the suggestion by another editor that the article be put up for a new peer review prior to resubmission as a potential Featured Article. The prior peer review review/Karma in Hinduism/archive1 was in 2005 and did not seem to get much activity. The topic is certainly central to Hinduism and deserves our best work. The current situation with the article is that many statements are unsourced. I looked over the current list of references and see a mixture of levels of reliability, ranging from academic overviews of Hindu philosophy to works of specific teachers which may reflect individual perspectives. Because the doctrines related to karma show up in so many places in Hindu writings it may be possible to prove any point by choosing the right sources. Buddhipriya 21:59, 12 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Buddipriya's suggestion. More editors need to contribute with references. Raj2004 10:03, 13 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Object: This article lacks of some refences and the External links section contains spam. Armando.O^{talk • Ev} 20:18, 14 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Object, given the importance of the topic, the article is too short, and uses too few good sources.--Aldux 13:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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