Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Jamiroquai/archive4
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 10 July 2021 [1].
- Nominator(s): 웃OO 11:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
This article is about the English funk and acid jazz band Jamiroquai. They are well known for their music video of "Virtual Insanity" and the song "Canned Heat", the latter which appeared in Napoleon Dynamite. My previous attempts to nominate the article in 2019 failed and understandably so, as it had cluttered writing and excessive detail, but has now improved in comparison. I've worked on this since 2018, which has been challenging but rewarding, as I've learned alot from it. This article is in hopes that it will represent the band's artistry and success above all the tabloids and sensationalism that overshadowed them. Thank you and I hope this passes. Submitting again due to lack of feedback. 웃OO 11:15, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
Image review–pass
[edit]- I would use an image in "Stage and visuals" section. (t · c) buidhe 12:40, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, though I'd rather this [2] be the infobox pic and this [3] as the stage and visuals pic to vary the timelines and his headgear. 웃OO 13:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Any shot that emphasizes the headgear may no longer be de minimis (see here) and you have to worry about copyright issues. (t · c) buidhe 13:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, the headgear doesn't have to be necessary, I still would like for the infobox to give a clear shot of the frontman at least. 웃OO 13:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe File:Jamiroquai - The O2 - Sunday 3rd December 2017 JamiroquaiO2031217-15 (27352016619).jpg or File:Jamiroquai - The O2 - Sunday 3rd December 2017 JamiroquaiO2031217-21 (25262574408).jpg as the infobox image? (t · c) buidhe 13:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Buidhe, I actually decided to change your first choice to this 2018 photo [4], which served as the infobox pic before. You can revert if you're not satisfied. 웃OO 00:08, 22 May 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe File:Jamiroquai - The O2 - Sunday 3rd December 2017 JamiroquaiO2031217-15 (27352016619).jpg or File:Jamiroquai - The O2 - Sunday 3rd December 2017 JamiroquaiO2031217-21 (25262574408).jpg as the infobox image? (t · c) buidhe 13:55, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Well, the headgear doesn't have to be necessary, I still would like for the infobox to give a clear shot of the frontman at least. 웃OO 13:51, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Any shot that emphasizes the headgear may no longer be de minimis (see here) and you have to worry about copyright issues. (t · c) buidhe 13:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, though I'd rather this [2] be the infobox pic and this [3] as the stage and visuals pic to vary the timelines and his headgear. 웃OO 13:01, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hi buidhe, is this ok by you? Gog the Mild (talk) 19:58, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Support from Hurricane Noah
[edit]Resolved comments from Hurricane Noah
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Hello, I have a few comments for you below to improve your article. I am not an expert on music articles, but I will give it a whirl. I have a nomination up currently and would appreciate it if you were able to review it. NoahTalk 19:04, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
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Support Comments from K. Peake
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Sorry about taking so long to comment, I kept on forgetting and was busy quite a bit with my job at Maccy's.
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Comments from Parsecboy
[edit]- Quite a few dupe links in the article that need to be removed - if you don't happen to have a tool installed, User:Evad37/duplinks-alt is the one I use
- Some refs are out of order (for example: [28][59][64][61])
- "Jay Kay was sending songs to record companies" - when? You mention a single released in 1986, but the header says 1992 - there's a bit of vagueness here
- Lots of things like "Other writers said", "some critics accusing ", etc. strike me as fairly WP:WEASELy - it would be best to be specific
- "They sold 4.4 million albums in the UK and had US sales of 2.5 million copies sold as of 2010." - what's the purpose of including this? We've already said what their sales by 2017 were
If you have a moment to spare, I also have a FAC that could use a review from someone less familiar with the topic. Thanks. Parsecboy (talk) 20:42, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- I addressed most of these comments. As for the formation section, maybe the solution is to instead rename the subheader as "Formation in 1992". And the following comment, when it comes to reviews of entertainment, they tend to be best written this way to condense what critics often point out, per WP:Reception. Just as long as the information has sources. Thank you for commenting! I'll be sure to check out your candidate. 웃OO 23:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough on the reviews thing - I'm not familiar with how these articles are written ;) As for the formation section, I wonder if it's worth adding a "In the early 1990s, Jay Kay was..." Parsecboy (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Or maybe "by the early 1990s" when thinking about that 1986 single. 웃OO 20:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- Fair enough on the reviews thing - I'm not familiar with how these articles are written ;) As for the formation section, I wonder if it's worth adding a "In the early 1990s, Jay Kay was..." Parsecboy (talk) 19:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
Support from Aoba47
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Great work with the article. I have honestly never heard of this band, but I enjoyed reading the article. If possible, I would greatly appreciate any help with my current FAC, which is only very tangentially related to this as it is a sitcom involving a radio station. Either way, I will support the article for promotion once all my comments are addressed. I hope you have a great weekend! Aoba47 (talk) 19:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
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Support Comments by Z1720
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Please consider me a non-expert.
Those are my comments! I will re-review when the above are resolved. Z1720 (talk) 05:16, 27 June 2021 (UTC)
My concerns have been addressed, and I support. Z1720 (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2021 (UTC) |
Source review
[edit]Spotchecks not done. Version reviewed
- The list of genres in the infobox is different from the list of genres in Artistry. Why?
- The infobox guidelines ([7]) say it should have a minimum of four genres. Should more or less be included? 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- It says generally two to four, but if this particular case has more then it would make sense to include more. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- The infobox guidelines ([7]) say it should have a minimum of four genres. Should more or less be included? 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Source for the list of labels? Not all of these are mentioned in the text
- Were the ones removed incorrect? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Columbia issued their greatest hits album and the others are for American releases. They could be brought back in, but verifiablly. 웃OO 05:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Were the ones removed incorrect? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- "The band's music blends aggressive dance rhythms and 1970s influenced sounds with sounds and instruments that are not limited by genre" - part of this is a critic's opinion, and part I don't see in text.
the part where it says "not limited by genre" used to have something like "the band takes an anything goes approach" which is from another critic's opinion, but a reviewer found it to be poor writing. I suppose this statement does feel a bit convoluted. I could instead write that the band started off by building their acid jazz sound in their beginning years, as it is much more verifiable in the body. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- "it listed in the Guinness World Records as the best-selling funk album in history". Is this meant to be it is listed, or it was listed?
- It now implies that they currently hold this record. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- "Kay's manager scouted keyboardist Toby Smith, but was rejected because he played in an acid house style Kay disliked, so Smith compromised his playing style to join the group again as Kay's songwriting partner" - is there an independent source for this claim?
- No I'm afraid. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, does it warrant inclusion? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll cut out the part that appears "contentious". 웃OO 05:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, does it warrant inclusion? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- No I'm afraid. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Archiving and retrieval date isn't needed for GBooks links
- "The album's complex songwriting caused Sony to tell Jamiroquai that "none of [the tracks] sounded like singles"," - is there an independent source for this claim?
- No I'm afraid. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, does it warrant inclusion? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll cut out the part that appears "contentious". 웃OO 05:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- In that case, does it warrant inclusion? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- No I'm afraid. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Fn12 is missing publication date. Ditto FN17, check for others
- Still issues here - eg FN60. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'll look harder. 웃OO 05:07, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Still issues here - eg FN60. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- FN21: OCC is a publisher not a work
- Indian Country Today, conversely, should be italicized
- What makes Consequence a high-quality reliable source? Highsnobiety? Vinyl Me Please?
- Consequence is New York based, and had been featured in Rotten Tomatoes and Time Entertainment. They've also been involved with the Chicago Film Critics Association and Sony Music. Consequence was formerly named Consequence of Sound. While Highsnobiety started off as a blog, they've extended to London and New York City and have over 100 staffs. They've documented counterfeit brands in South Korea and won a Webby Award for Cultural Blog/Website. The interviewer in Vinyl Me Please has contributed to NPR, The New York Times, Pitchfork Music and Washington Post among others. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Being located in a particular place and having a high number of staff aren't characteristics that contribute to reliability. See here for guidance. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you mean Highsnobiety. They best I can find are these NYT interviews of their editors. [8][9][10]. I also found this Tech Crunch article which I'm not sure will benefit much. [11]
- Those NYT articles suggest the source may have some expertise in fashion, but that's not what it's being used for here? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- I was unable to find anything else supporting highsnobiety as this exceptional source, so I'm letting it go. 웃OO 01:38, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- Those NYT articles suggest the source may have some expertise in fashion, but that's not what it's being used for here? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm assuming you mean Highsnobiety. They best I can find are these NYT interviews of their editors. [8][9][10]. I also found this Tech Crunch article which I'm not sure will benefit much. [11]
- Being located in a particular place and having a high number of staff aren't characteristics that contribute to reliability. See here for guidance. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- Consequence is New York based, and had been featured in Rotten Tomatoes and Time Entertainment. They've also been involved with the Chicago Film Critics Association and Sony Music. Consequence was formerly named Consequence of Sound. While Highsnobiety started off as a blog, they've extended to London and New York City and have over 100 staffs. They've documented counterfeit brands in South Korea and won a Webby Award for Cultural Blog/Website. The interviewer in Vinyl Me Please has contributed to NPR, The New York Times, Pitchfork Music and Washington Post among others. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- How are you ordering Sources?
- Be consistent in when you include publication location
- I was completely unaware that this was included when I was automating some of the citations. I actually don't have knowledge of this feature and I can't find where it's used. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- For example, Footman includes it but the other Sources do not. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I was completely unaware that this was included when I was automating some of the citations. I actually don't have knowledge of this feature and I can't find where it's used. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Be consistent in when you include
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- I haven't seen any other citations I thought needed via. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- For example, some Google Books references include it and others do not. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:00, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
- I haven't seen any other citations I thought needed via. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Be consistent in when you include
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- I removed all of these. Again, they must have sprung up when doing automatic citations. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Fn53 is missing author. Ditto FN57, check for others
- Fn55 is missing page(s). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi, I hopefully resolved most of these issues. Let me know if I missed anything. 웃OO 19:51, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hi Nikkimaria, how's it looking now? Gog the Mild (talk) 19:32, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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