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The article was promoted by Gog the Mild via FACBot (talk) 3 December 2021 [1].

Hurricane Leslie (2018)

Nominator(s): Noah^Talk 18:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article is about Hurricane Leslie, a long-lived system that was the strongest cyclone to affect Portugal since 1842. It caused severe wind damage across Portugal and Spain. Leslie combined with another system to cause severe flooding in the Aude department, France, which was the worst seen there since 1891. River records in the Aude that had held strong since 1871 fell during the storm. This article took months of work to research and write; it contains 81 Portuguese, 27 Spanish, and 17 French-language sources. Incorporating the local perspective is something that I see as a cornerstone with articles like this. I'm proud to finally be able to bring this behemoth of a storm here. Noah^Talk 18:52, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from LightandDark2000

There are just a few minor issues that I found. Otherwise, I think that this article is a solid FA candidate. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the lead, I would specify that the USD and Euro values are in their 2018 values.
At least 13 districts in Portugal were placed under a red alert from 13–14 October in anticipation of adverse weather conditions from Leslie. Add a comma after "13–14 October".
Following the storm, water currents were greatly diminished for multiple weeks, This could be clarified some more. Is the sentence referring to the strength of the water currents?
causing fog to persist for 32 hours in Ferryland, Newfoundland. For "Newfoundland", I would change the link from Newfoundland (which redirects to Newfoundland and Labrador) to Newfoundland (island), since the latter is more specific.

That's all I have. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 19:48, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@LightandDark2000: should be fixed. Noah^Talk 21:11, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting now. Looks good to go. LightandDark2000 🌀 (talk) 22:13, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Chiswick Chap

Interesting article, and evidently already highly polished, so there's little to comment on.

"hundreds of buildings, signs, and equipment." Perhaps "pieces of equipment".

Added. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"and damaged several structures and vehicles" -> "and damaging..." to fit the rest of the sentence.

Fixed. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The map shows the track with circular symbols denoting "Tropical cyclone" as far north as the latitude of southern Spain. How is that?

It's entirely possible to occur as long as conditions are favorable enough (warm sea surface temperatures mostly). I would note that in the last case as it was nearing Portugal and Spain, the storm was in the process of losing its tropical characteristics, although was considered tropical until the process was complete. This year, Hurricane Sam was tropical quite a bit further north (48N). It mostly is a result of warm sea temperatures allowing the storm to stick around. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This was an international event (Azores, Spain), and Wikipedia has an international readership. "The National Hurricane Center" needs to be glossed "The American National Hurricane Center".

Used United States-based. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"araucaria columnaris" -> "Araucaria columnaris" as a species name.

Fixed. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"€5 million (US$6.1 million) in funds were approved ... At least 230 trees were planted". That's over €20,000 per tree? Seems out by about 3 orders of magnitude.

I changed the first part to specify there is a recovery plan and changed the second part to specify this was only part of the plan. Other details for the plan were not mentioned and I haven't seen any new developments. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's about it from me. Chiswick Chap (talk) 09:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review. I should have addressed everything. Noah^Talk 12:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That's great, happy to Support. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:00, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from FredModulars

My first time reviewing, so sorry if I screw something up. FredModulars (talk) 03:17, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A very interesting article, and not much to comment on. Just a few things:

"In November 2018, Aon estimated that Leslie's damage total exceeded US$500 million." Is there an equivalent damage total in Euros which should be mentioned? Lead and first "Impact" sentence.

Converts to around 590 million euro. I will add it. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Hurricane Noah: Took me a while to realize this, but that makes no sense. The amount of euros should be less than dollars.

Fixed it last night. Twas a case of converting it in the opposite direction. Noah^Talk 15:00, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a link to the 1891 flood mentioned in the lead and in "France"?

No there is not. Floods are a very lacking topic on Wikipedia. I also checked FR Wikipedia and didn't find anything there as well. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In the infobox, wind speed is displayed mph (km/h). In the article, it is km/h (mph). If it's not the infobox template's fault, then it should be that way in the infobox.

I don't believe there is any way to change this since it is dependent upon the basin parameter and the Atlantic goes to mph (km/h) from the knot input. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"Initially, on 27 November 2018, the Portuguese government rejected a proposal to provide relief funds for victims of the storm.[162]...The Portuguese government was criticised for being slow in authorising the release of funds to these organizations.[170]" Portuguese government/government seems repetitive in this paragraph.

Changed some of them to similar terms that would fit. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Was there any significant aftermath in Spain or elsewhere?

I haven't seen any aftermath outside Portugal and France, and I didn't see anything new when I checked again a couple of weeks ago. A search now didn't turn up anything new. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for review. Let me know if there is anything else, @FredModulars:. Noah^Talk 04:19, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing else. Great job on this article. Glad to support it. FredModulars (talk) 04:34, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Image review

Don't duplicate captions in alt text. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:39, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Should be fixed. Noah^Talk 23:16, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support from Hawkeye7

Article looks good to me. Some minor suggestions:

Air pressure is measured in hectopascals in the lead and millibars in the article. Per MOS:METRIC, the metric conversion should be to the SI unit, hence hectopascals.

Changed the lead to millibars. The Atlantic basin uses millibars and this is technically limited by our templates as well. Noah^Talk 03:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mark the article as using US English with a {{Use American English|date=November 2024}} template.

Done Noah^Talk 03:45, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It says twice in the lead that it was an extratropical cyclone. Suggest dropping the first one.

I removed some mentioning of it being an extratropical cyclone. Some of the earlier mentions are due to Leslie originating from an extratropical cyclone rather than it being one itself. Noah^Talk 03:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicate links: convective, Figueira da Foz, Lisbon, Aude

Removed duplicate links. Noah^Talk 03:42, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:56, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment from RetiredDuke

Hm, I'd like to take a closer look at this one before it closes, I've already spotted and corrected two mistranslations from Portuguese just from a quick once-over (180 football games cancelled in Madeira sounded implausible to me and I happen to know Trofa well so I know it's not a street but a city, so those were quick to spot). In the mean time, what do you mean by "ocean routes"? RetiredDuke (talk) 23:31, 13 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

A "marginal" in this case is a street that runs parallel to the ocean, it's built right next to the beach. It's not an "ocean route". RetiredDuke (talk) 00:15, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed that one. Noah^Talk 03:32, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Back to it, sorry about the delay. Please check after my edits, English is not my 1st language.

I've changed the title translation of "mais de 180 jogos cancelados na Madeira e duas exceções nas modalidades" from "more than 180 games canceled in Madeira and two exceptions in the sports" to "more than 180 sports games canceled in Madeira with only two exceptions" - the way it works in Portugal, football/soccer is such a big sport that everything else is grouped into a big mix called "modalidades" - this just means that everything was canceled except for two sports events of "modalidades"
I've added agency=Lusa News Agency to several links, because that's where the info comes from originally. Notice that news sources sometimes write Lusa in their stories; Lusa is the largest news agency in Portugal, many news sources either pull stories from them or work closely with them when they do not have the means to cover the occurrence themselves.
I've written "as well as river routes in the Tagus" to reflect the source, I don't know if that's the best solution grammatically speaking, please check.

I'll resume it tomorrow, it looks good. I've only changed minor stuff so far, mainly related to sourcing or minor mistranslations. RetiredDuke (talk) 19:11, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Source review

Source formatting seems OK to me and the use of the sources strikes me as appropriate too. I notice that Portuguese and Spanish sources appear to be mainly news articles; are there government reports etc. as well? Spotchecks are mostly OK but #157 where does it say windshield? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't seen any government reports. I searched the IPMA's (Portugal's Met/Sea agency) site and the main government site, however, nothing turned up other than weather forecasts for when the storm was approaching. Noah^Talk 14:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
157 was a minor mistranslation that has been taken care of. Noah^Talk 14:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
This and this throw up some sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting.. I didn't know you could search like that. I have one more Spanish one to add and I will take a look at the Portuguese ones later today. Noah^Talk 15:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delay, my laptop battery and cooling fan failed yesterday so I had to wait until I got back to the university today to edit. I believe that I have added all of the appropriate sources from the ones you linked here. Noah^Talk 14:13, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These seem OK to me. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 14:52, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jo-Jo, is that a pass then? Gog the Mild (talk) 22:56, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 22:59, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:35, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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