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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 01:20, 30 September 2008 [1].

History of the National Hockey League (1942–1967)

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Nominator(s): Resolute


This is the second of a series, the first article, covering 1917 to 1942 already being featured. I believe this article is up to the same standards. It is currently a good article, and has been through a peer review that did not yield much, unfortunately. Maxim was kind enough to perform a copyedit. I look forward to all comments. Thanks! Resolute 04:30, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Restart, old nom. Sources checked, images unclear. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
err? Resolute 02:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think SandyGeorgia is "bumping" this discussion up (hence restart), because no one has commented since you posted this FAC over three weeks ago. SandyGeorgia then comments (I think) that the sources have been checked, but the images are unclear. I would guess the particular images are the Syl Apps image and the Clarence Campbell thumb (specifically the thumb, as the full image is pretty clean). — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 02:49, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sandy means that she wants the pictures checked to make sure they comply with our image standards. This is done by one of our image reviewers; unfortunately for you, I'm not one of them. Giants2008 (17-14) 03:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 04:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

  • "It was a period of dynasties, with the Maple Leafs winning the Stanley Cup nine times between 1942 and 1967." That dreaded with + -ing sentence structure.
  • Fixed.
  • Fixed another ambiguity. Ottre 14:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "Attempting to open up the game, the league introduced the centre-ice red line, allowing players to pass out of their defensive zone for the first time in 1943." Move "in 1943" to right after "centre-ice red line" for clarity.
  • Fixed
  • Shouldn't that be "In its attempts"? Ottre 14:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
  • Also, "The NHL continued to develop during this period." should read "The NHL continued to develop throughout the era." Ottre 14:52, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
  • "There was also change at the top after league President Frank Calder collapsed during a meeting and later died, in February 1943." -->"There was also change at the top; in February 1943, league President Frank Calder collapsed during a meeting and later died."
  • Fixed.
  • "The stability Campbell offered as president was matched by that of the league itself." Vague.
  • removed, another editor expressed a POV concern, so I've changed it.
  • I've reworded the passage entirely.
  • "Other teams and leagues had challenged for the cup in the intervening years, with the challenges rejected by Cup trustees for various reasons." Such as?
    • An example is stated.
  • "It was Richard who captured all the headlines, however, as he attempted to score 50 goals in a 50 game season, a feat no other player had accomplished in league history." Can we change "It was Richard who captured all the headlines" to something more encyclopedic, please?
  • Ohhh... I suppose. ;o) reworded.
  • "His opponents did anything they could to prevent him from reaching the 50-goal mark, including slashing, elbowing and holding Richard, as no team wanted to be known as the one that gave up the goal."—all they could.
  • fixed

I'll have more comments later. Dabomb87 (talk) 03:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your current concerns should be addressed, and I look forward to any further suggestions you have. Thanks, Resolute 16:31, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Did Calder collapse in February 1943? or did he die in February 1943? or both? This should be worded less ambiguously. — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 04:25, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The 1951 Stanley Cup Finals saw the Maple Leafs defeat the Canadiens four games to one in the only final in NHL history where all games were decided in overtime." How about: "In the 1951 Stanley Cup Finals, the Maple Leafs defeated the Canadiens four games to one in the only final in NHL history when all games were decided in overtime."
  • I like. Changed.
  • Honestly, there is no way I can say for certain. Nearly all of the dollar figures cited in the sources do not specify.
  • "The first players' union was formed February 12, 1957, by Red Wings star Ted Lindsay." According to whom is he a star?
  • reworded.
  • Check for overlinking of individual seasons; the one that caught my attention was 1964–65.
  • Delinked the second instance of 64-65. I looked over the article and did not find any other duplicative links for either seasons or playoff years.
  • "Similarly, teams began to paint the centre red line in a checkered pattern to set it apart from the solid blue lines." "Similarly" is vague, try "For this same reason".
  • done.

Dabomb87 (talk) 00:30, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And thanks again, Resolute 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um, well the nominator was working on my comments, but okay. I'll get to those later. Images: Images check out
    • Image:GordieHowe 08.jpg - call me a skeptic, but I'm concerned that this image from 1960's is in fact self-made by the author.
    • Image:Plante firstmask.jpg - the fair use rationales need to be copyedited and expanded; just saying 'it's not replaceable' doesn't cut it.

--Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Well, when I said they'd be updated by the time you next checked, I wasn't anticipating you'd be replying nine minutes later... heh. I've taken a stab at expanding the rationale where I can. Resolute 17:04, 23 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've just gone ahead and edited the image page, so you can see what I am talking about. I would like the author of the image and the date taken/published, to add to the 'other information' section of {{Non-free image data}} - see the example image page above. I've split the fair use rationales from the description page to avoid redundancy, but I didn't fill out the FUR for the other instance of this article- you need to add that in, I don't know jack about hockey. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. I'll try to track down the author, though that may be challenging. As to your originial comments on the first attempt at this FAC, I have gone through and removed several useless commas. Resolute 19:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is David satisfied on the images yet? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:40, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Image:Plante firstmask.jpg still needs a FUR, and Resolute hasnt gotten back to me about the author. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs (talk) 02:22, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, that image has a FUR, for this article. Maxim(talk) 15:07, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I had't forgotten about this request, but I had been swamped. At any rate, I've come across the image again in the book Hockey: A People's History, where it is credited to "Corbis/Bettmann" I've added that to the image page, as well as the date, Nov 01, 1959. Resolute 16:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment nice stuff. I'll go through it in detail to fix little things.
    • Suggestion: when you mention Lester Patrick's proposal to suspend the Rangers activities in 43-44, it would perhaps be good to find a reference explaining why Canadian teams (and the Canadiens in particular) were not affected as much as the American teams. (Presumably this is because conscription did not start in Canada until 44 but I'm wondering whether that's the correct explanation since American teams had many Canadian players anyway...)
    • Update on above suggestion: looking at hockeydb and comparing the 42-43 and 43-44 rosters [2] [3], there's some indication that Lynn Patrick, Alf Pike, Scotty Cameron, among a few others, did leave for the war but it still seems odd that the Rangers would be the only team affected that hard. The Wings and and Blackhawks had decent seasons so I think a few more explanations are needed here. Pichpich (talk) 21:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Some more comments: I've continued to copyedit the article and I feel that the prose is still a bit below FA expectations. Yeah, I know that good copyeditors are hard to find but there are a few places where the prose could be tightened and the flow improved. I'm not talented enough to fix it myself but I am able to recognize that there's room for improvement on that front. More specific questions:
    • When did the NHL lose the CBS deal?
    • Not really clear: did anyone ever adopt or imitate Sawchuk's "gorilla crouch"?
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