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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was not promoted by User:SandyGeorgia 00:51, 12 July 2008 [1].

Hilary Duff

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previous FAC (17:13, 1 March 2008)


This article has undergone a lot of changes during its GA nomination and was promoted as a GA last November. In february this year, i nominated it for FA status and it was rejected as can be seen from prev FAC link above. Since its last FAC, the article has undergone significant changes and now i feel that the article is ready for a FA status. I feel that this article deserves to be a Featured article and i hope that other reviewers will feel the same after goin thru it....Constructive criticisms are always welcome !!!....thanx..Gprince007 (talk) 15:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong oppose Lots of work needed.
  • Lead wastes content listing her albums. no FA does this. a line on childhood is needed here
  • link singer-songwriter in lead, not both words separately.
done Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Article isn't comprehensive at all. Look here. All web links? These books have a lot more.
  • sign pic has wrong tag. Uploader nver owned the sign : it's ineligible for copyright. See FA Barack Obama's sign (I remember that well) and correct the license on commons accordingly.
done Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • 4th pic caption in past tense. why?
done Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bad prose: "because she chipped off one of her front teeth"
  • early life has useless wikilinks like tv commercial, ballet, theater
  • Toc is ridiculously overwhelming. Why are films, music, TV all separate? Merge them all into header 2 sections
  • Then merge business and controversies into these sections. They shouldn't get any Undue weight
  • "Duff contributed the song "(I'll Give) Anything but Up!" for the 2004 album Marlo Thomas & Friends: Thanks & Giving All Year Long (2004), before continuing nine more months of the Most Wanted Tour." ref?
done Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Last piece of personal life isn't personal.
  • Remove dance hits link from see also. right place is in the songs articles
done Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well i believe the lead summarises the article while highlightin important landmarks in her career. Since she is an actress and a singer, the lead contains brief info abt her music albums and films. Infact featured articles like AC/DC and Gwen Stefani list their respective albums in their leads more than this article.
  • Regarding the word chipped, it has been used becos the cite says "She chipped her teeth often". It is not bad prose...it is just stating the facts as per the cite.
  • Films, music and TV have been separated to distinguish her career in the 3 mediums. She has been fairly succesful in all three..so i guess each deserves a separate section....Featured articles like Mariah Carey too have separate sections for films and music. Merging them would create 2 huge sections which would burden the reader's eye while reading. Thats what i feel. Same goes for business and controversies section becos the content in both the sections are well written in the media and hence notable. Also some of the content in controversies section have been cited by multiple sources.
  • Last piece of personal life informs the reader of her personal earnings in a year. Whats wrong with it???
  • External links are all Official sites which can be verified by anyone. There are no fansites.

I guess i have addressed most of the concerns raised above. I have stated the reasons for the ones which i didnt change. Gprince007 (talk) 15:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

oppose A lot of major issues.

  • Lead needs exspanding
  • Early career section and then Early Television work section?
  • Merge stuff about T.V and stuff about film and rename it "Acting career"
  • Why to 3 year section then a 2 year section in "Music career"? Why not just have sections for each of her Studio albums?
  • A lot of WW "spurred her on" "spawn a sequel" "biggest selling albums" are just exsamples.
  • I don't know much about her but I think the "Lizzie McGuire" "Early life and career" and "Music career" sections could be exspanded
  • Many refs not entered correctly with no publisher and/or date given.

This article really isn't close enough yet to be nominated. Buc (talk) 07:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • As stated above the Lead seems fine to me. It summarises her film as well as music career as per WP:LEAD. If you have any specific suggestions which can be added to lead then pls suggest...
  • Early career section and then Early Television work are mentioned in the "Early life and career" section and "Television->Early work" sections....
  • A Section for each studio album is not feasible becos of her work in other albums too....where will her work in Lizzie mcguire soundtrack, A Cinderella story soundtrack go???....thats why the music section is arranged chronologically.
  • Fixed weasel word
I guess most of the issues have been addressed and reasons have been provided for ones which i couldnt address.Gprince007 (talk) 15:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

  • A number of your website references are lacking publishers. When they are in order, I'll come back and look at the reliability of the sources.
  • A couple of your weblinks are showing up as deadlinks with the link checker tool. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:19, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose A tabloid and an encyclopedia are different things.

"They quoted Hilary Duff saying, 'Avril needs to appreciate her fans more and blah, blah, blah.' I'm like, excuse me? First off, it's not even true. I never said that. And second, who the hell cares what she has to say about my fans? Whatever. Hilary Duff's such a goody-goody, such a mommy's girl".

Sections such as "Controversies" should be avoided, because they become negative POV dumps. A lot of stuff in that section is too detailed too; do we need an entire paragraph on how she didn't lip-sync? Trivial information.

I think her entire career should be presented chronologically; so combine the TV, Movie and Music sections, it'll give a better understanding of her career. indopug (talk) 14:38, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Career info needs to be made into one chronological section. The controversies need to be dispersed into their chronological placing to avoid coat racking. Really the whole article needs to be made as chronological as possible, its like being in a time warp. Feel free to call me back if this is addressed. — Realist2 (Come Speak To Me) 17:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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