Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Frilled lizard/archive1
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The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22 February 2023 [1].
- Nominator(s): LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
This article is about arguably the most recognizable lizard in the world. I used a fair amount of scientific peer reviewed articles that cover nearly all the most important facts about the species. It has gone through a good article review which included a spotcheck and image review. I think we're almost there. LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Image review
- Suggest adding alt text
- Don't use fixed px size
- I have to for the cladogram. Otherwise the images will be giant. LittleJerry (talk) 13:10, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
- File:Chlamydosaurus_kingii_engraving_by_Mr._Curtis_1827.jpg needs a US tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
Comments from Jim
[edit]- Its distinctive appearance has been used in media —perhaps depicted?
- The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King's last name. —perhaps The specific name, kingii, is a Latinised form of King?
- Grey’s cartilages —not linked or explained
- The frill displays a variation of colours from west to east —perhaps add across its range. I wondered momentarily why the colour depended on the lizard's orientation
- soil draining — soil drainage?
- do so while feeding or to escape from predators— Hunting, rather than feeding
- The species has been featured on some coins. —bit vague, no indication even of which nation's currency
- I fixed a couple of obvious typos too Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:46, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
- Support I can't see any other obvious problems Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
Comments
[edit]- "which is when spends" - missing word
- "The species is cleared to be" - is "cleared" the right word there?
- "analysis of the species across its range using" - using what? There seems to be at least one word missing here
- Which variant of English is this article written in? I can see "center" (American) but also "behaviour" (British) (but also "behavior" as well)
- "The colours of the frill varies" - the subject (colours) is plural, so the verb should be too
- It now says "the colours of the frills varies", which is still incorrect..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:24, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 23:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but raises" => "Consumption of ants drops after early dry season fires but rises"
- "it watches for potential prey from a tree and upon finding it, climbs down" => "it watches for potential prey from a tree and, upon finding it, climbs down"
- "many "captive bred" lizard" => "many "captive bred" lizards"
- "Frilled lizard may also" => "Frilled lizards may also"
- "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that raised when attacking" => "portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking"
- Last image caption is not a complete sentence so it doesn't need a full stop -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed all. LittleJerry (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2023 (UTC)
- Support - nice one -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Support from Gog the Mild
[edit]Recusing to review.
- "spending most of its time in the trees." Do we need "the"?
- Removed. LittleJerry (talk)
- "which is when it spends more time near or on the ground." Similarly, do we need "which is"?
- Removed. LittleJerry (talk)
- "scare off predator". Perhaps link to Deimatic behaviour?
- "Its distinctive appearance has been depicted in media." Almost every species has. Could you either elaborate or delete.
- Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "an expedition conducted by Captain Phillip Parker King from HMS Mermaid." "from" → 'in'.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "a Latinised form of King". Lower case k.
- That's a last name. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Whoops.
- That's a last name. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "and weighs around 600 g (1.3 lb)." I think you mean 'and can weigh as much as 600 g (1.3 lb)' or similar.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "thick head". What does this mean? Broad? Thick skulled?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "and long legs and a tail". If you have to have two "and"s (I don't think you do} could we have an additional comma?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "The corners of its eyes". "its" referring to males, or all lizards?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "over four times the animal's torso in diameter." 'over four times the length of the animal's torso in diameter'?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- " the lower jaw and Grey’s cartilage." I am unsure about this, but should that be ' the lower jaw and the Grey’s cartilage'?
- I don't see the need. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "The underside and lateral sides are sprinkled with dark brown markings that merge to create bands on the tail." Just for males?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- " more carotenoids than yellow and white frills" → ' more carotenoids than those with yellow and white frills'.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "the latter two also lacking pteridines." That's not grammatical. Do you mean 'the latter two are also lacking in pteridines' or perhaps 'the latter two also lack pteridines'?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "Yellow colouration has been linked to greater steroid hormones." Does "greater" mean a larger quantity or stronger (more effective) steroid hormones or something else?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "as they can better spot prey from above." Perhaps 'as they can then better spot prey from above' or 'as this allows them to better spot prey from above.'
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- References: could you standardise your hyphenisation of ISBNs?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "The naturalist in Australia". Upper case N; remove "limited". And did you actually refer to the 1897 edition? Or to the 2017 ebook.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:50, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "spending over 90% of its days up in the trees." Is it known where it spends its nights?
- That's 24 hours. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Then it is unclear.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Then it is unclear.
- That's 24 hours. LittleJerry (talk) 14:42, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "69 m (75 yd) per day versus 23 m (25 yd) for females". I suspect that an 'on average' and perhaps an 'in a study at [give location]' could be added.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "To keep balance" ? 'To keep their balance' or 'To keep balanced'?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "Prominent prey include". 'íncludes'?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "upon finding it" → 'upon seeing it'? Find seems an odd word for a sit-and-wait predator.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "Several species of nematode infest ..." Perhaps a paragraph break here?
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "many "captive bred" lizards are likely to have been". Perhaps 'many lizards for sale advertised as "captive bred" are likely to have been' or similar?
- Changed. LittleJerry (talk) 15:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- "frilled lizards were eaten by some indigenous cultures". It may just be me, but can a "culture" eat something? Its members can, or something can form part of a culture's diet. You use the past tense: is it known when this consumption took place, and/or when it ceased?
- Changed LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Schrire: add the ISBN (9780867842043).
- Added. LittleJerry (talk) 15:09, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Gog the Mild (talk) 13:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
- Support
Nice piece of work. Just a couple of points which may be down to my complete ignorance of AusEng:
- In Taxonomy you use "northwestern": is that how AusEng has it? (in BrEng it would be north-western)
- In Relationship with humans you have "Archeological". Same question as in Br Eng it should be archaeological.
If you're happy you have it right, then all well and good, but I am contractually obliged to check. Cheers - SchroCat (talk) 13:08, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Fixed both. LittleJerry (talk) 21:16, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Src rev
[edit]This version reviewed. Numbers in brackets denote the reference number as of this version.
Formatting:
- (4) William Saville Kent: the version you link to is the 1897 1st ed, which requires an OLCC identifier. If on the other hand you used a modern reprint, then it will have a 13 digit ISBN but should be re-linked.
- Fixed.
- (5) Guyot, Porter et al: As above: too early for an ISBN, use the OCLC. Suggest using the {{orig-year=}} template.
- No OCLC is given.
- (28) DOI points to a landing page, not the journal itself.
- Thats the doi given. If it does go to the article, then there's nothing I can do about it.
- (30) Author: Shone is Shine.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- (35) Might need to add the template {{dead-url=yes}}...
- Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
Spot checks:
- (1) How does this support the temporal range?
- By the numbers (99.7 to 0.012 Ma). LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- (3b) passes.
- (6) passes.
- (8) How does this support the claim re. 10 million years?
- See fig. 4 LittleJerry (talk) 20:54, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- (13a) Supports the claims wrt the head and frill etc but can't see mention of the tail length (esp as it's the last of three cites).
- It's supported by cite 7. LittleJerry (talk) 20:49, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- (13b) passes.
- (18b) passes.
- (19a) passes.
- (25a) passes.
- (26) passes.
- (30b) passes.
- SN54129 13:51, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, finished. LittleJerry (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Serial Number 54129, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either pass or fail this source review. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yo Gog, it is true I walked away soas not to fail it with an unclear head. Obviously, much more useful to fail it with a clear head. It's mostly OK, but where answers were required, they were not wholly satisfactory. Viz formatting, OCLCs are available at Worldcat and an article isn't a landing page. For spotchecks, linking to Ma. at least would help the average reader and which of all the figs is fig 4? Thanks for the nod though. SN54129 13:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, I added the OCLC and Ma. Figure 4 is here. I removed the DOI, it won't link to the article and I don't know what you mean by "Viz formating" LittleJerry (talk) 17:36, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Yo Gog, it is true I walked away soas not to fail it with an unclear head. Obviously, much more useful to fail it with a clear head. It's mostly OK, but where answers were required, they were not wholly satisfactory. Viz formatting, OCLCs are available at Worldcat and an article isn't a landing page. For spotchecks, linking to Ma. at least would help the average reader and which of all the figs is fig 4? Thanks for the nod though. SN54129 13:49, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Hi Serial Number 54129, I was wondering if you felt in a position to either pass or fail this source review. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- Serial Number 54129, finished. LittleJerry (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
- Pass source review. Thanks LittleJerry & Gog. SN54129 15:33, 21 February 2023 (UTC)
Funk
[edit]- While this already has three supports, it could probably need one more review from a zoology editor, plus I was also asked to review earlier. Will have a look soon. FunkMonk (talk) 11:55, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- At first look, I think this article sorely needs a photo showing the entire body of this animal in profile and with the frill relaxed. Now there's one under Description approaching that, but here are some better ones:[2][3][4][5]
- Added first. LittleJerry (talk) 17:39, 20 February 2023 (UTC)
- There's a bunch of duplinks which can be highlighted with the usual script.[6]
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "revealed three lineages of recent divergence" Diverged when?
- Removed. Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- You use the scientific name in some captions for some reason, seems a bit arbitrary.
- "Anatomy of the frill of the frilled lizard" doesn't sound right. Fixed other. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "It split from its closest living relatives around 10 million years ago." Based on what evidence?
- Added. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "The frilled lizard grows to a total length of around 90 cm (35 in) and a head-body length of 27 centimetres (11 in), and weigh up to 600 g (1.3 lb)." You start in singular, so should be "weighs".
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "with males being larger than females" By how much?
- Not made clear. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Why is the image under Behaviour and ecology "upright"? Makes it harder to see.
- Fixed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "was portrayed with a similar looking neck frill that rose when attacking." Probably worth mentioning this was a fictional feature without evidence.
- Not stated in source. Its already implied. If it really did have a frill, there would be no point in mentioning it in a popular culture section on the frilled lizard. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- It had a prominent role in The Rescuers Down Under, not sure if worth mentioning, but some of the other cultural mentions seem pretty marginal too.
- They are mentioned in journal articles or books actually about the frilled lizard. I'm not cherrypicking a book about Disney for a cite on its appearance in that movie. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "The following cladogram is based on Pyron and colleagues (2013)." No word on how it's related to these other species?
- Anything else on cultural significance to Aboriginals apart from just being food?
- The external links seem pretty random. Perhaps see if there is info there missing from the article and incorporate it instead.
- Removed. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- "is a diurnal and arboreal species" These terms could be explained.
- Fixed, arboreal is already explained right after. LittleJerry (talk) 14:21, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Link termite at first instead of second mention.
- Describe colouration in the intro.
- Support - looking nice to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 14:32, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
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