Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freida Pinto/archive3
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2016 [1].
- Nominator(s): —Vensatry (Talk) 19:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This article is about a one-hit wonder. The article has had two peer reviews and as many (unsuccessful) FACs. The issues raised during the previous nomination have been addressed. I believe the article now meets the criteria. Look forward to comments and suggestions. —Vensatry (Talk) 19:05, 25 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Update – Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography, Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maharashtra, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Mumbai, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women. —Vensatry (Talk) 17:11, 28 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Support on prose per standard disclaimer. Nicely done. As always, feel free to revert my copyediting. These are my edits. - Dank (push to talk) 12:05, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Dank: Thanks for the copyedits. I've made one minor change though. —Vensatry (Talk) 14:22, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, that works. Happy to help. - Dank (push to talk) 15:24, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Jim
[edit]Support: Dank leaves little for other commentators on style! Happy to support, just some minor nitpicks for your consideration Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:54, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- decided to become an actress at a young age— perhaps decided when young she would become an actress?
- garnered critical acclaim—"garnered" is a showbiz cliché, "received"
- assignments until the completion of her graduation in 2005—don't need the completion of
- highest-grossing film to date. —to April 2016
- relatively lesser-known—sounds a bit odd to me, perhaps relatively little-known?
- @Jimfbleak: Fixed all. Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:33, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- :) - Dank (push to talk) 12:59, 17 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm a little concerned about the second claim in this statement: "The Indian media has criticised her "fluctuating" accent and dark complexion". Not sure why someone would be criticised for their complexion? Other than this, I think the article is very well-written, and has my support for its promotion. --Krimuk|90 (talk) 07:57, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Krimuk90: Good catch, rephrased the bit. Thanks for the review. —Vensatry (Talk) 08:44, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from TonyTheTiger
[edit]Does Pinto claim Portuguese or Goan ancestry?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- I think this is clearly explained in the footnote. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did Pinto get reviewed for You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Given that she had a minuscule role, it's almost impossible to find reviews. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- What does "almost impossible" mean? Are they non-RS, passing mentions, or what? What do you think of describing her as the object of affections, which seems interesting here. I see her role is not central, but it could be described at least.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:42, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Given that she had a minuscule role, it's almost impossible to find reviews. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why are the first and second film of 2011 in the same paragraph?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- She had four films in 2011. I decided to have two films each in a para. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did Pinto get reviewed for Immortals? Is there enough content on that to make a separate para?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Added one. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Desert Dancer content seems to deserve its own para.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Between Immortals and DD she had appeared in just one documentary. It doesn't deserve a separate para. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems to me that content beginning with "Pinto's first cinematic appearance in two years" is a new topic. In addition, its depth is sufficient to be a separate paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Where should the single and documentary go then? —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It is fine where it is. I think with the split you just need to make sure a new Desert Dancer para mentions 2013.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:31, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Where should the single and documentary go then? —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It seems to me that content beginning with "Pinto's first cinematic appearance in two years" is a new topic. In addition, its depth is sufficient to be a separate paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:26, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Between Immortals and DD she had appeared in just one documentary. It doesn't deserve a separate para. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did Pinto get reviewed for Knight of Cups?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Per 'You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger'. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At least you describe this role.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's been described already. —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- At least you describe this role.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Per 'You Will Meet a Tall Dark Stranger'. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Were there reviews for Unity of the film and/or Pinto?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- It's a documentary. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I think you should clarify that the film had 100 narrators so that the reader does not expect to find commentary regarding her performance.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Between Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic, there were 5 reviews. So the film was reviewed minimally.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 03:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not sure how helpful is it going to be in her article. She was just a narrator among 100 celebrities (most of them being much popular than she is). —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- It's a documentary. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Did Pinto get reviewed for Blunt Force Trauma?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 16:11, 14 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]- Majority of the reviews talk only about her character. I'm struggling to find reviews about her from reliable publications. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Good luck.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There are reviews about the film, but they don't cover much about her performance. I'd be glad if you could find stuff related to the same. —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Have you exhausted reviews at Rotten Tomatoes and Metacritic?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- There are reviews about the film, but they don't cover much about her performance. I'd be glad if you could find stuff related to the same. —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Good luck.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Majority of the reviews talk only about her character. I'm struggling to find reviews about her from reliable publications. —Vensatry (talk) 11:47, 15 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @TonyTheTiger: Would you mind revisiting the page? —Vensatry (talk) 07:04, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I'll be by this afternoon.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:22, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Now that you bring this to my attention, I should point out that the article incorrectly uses tense per WP:MOSTENSE. Commentary by critics when summarized or quoted should generally use the present tense.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:35, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- IIRC, we use present tense for films and literary stuff. The guideline says: Generally, do not use past tense except for deceased subjects, past events, and subjects that no longer meaningfully exist as such. – critical reviews of films become past events over a period of time. —Vensatry (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Emily Ratajkowski was copyedited by WP:GOCE in this regard. Here is how I explained it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3 for Numerounovedant Please ignore that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS that is inconsistent with this advice. It is confusing to me. Here is my interpretation. Write in past tense about things from to past. E.g., she made a movie, filmed a pilot. Write in present tense about things that are not in the past. A movie, although made in the past, lives for a long time if not forever (like a building). The movie is in the present like a building is. Thus, an opinion about a thing that is present is written about in the present. A critical commentary about a building or a movie would say. Critic X says the building is tall or the movie is good. We do not say critic X said the building was tall or the movie was good. Hope that helps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @TonyTheTiger: Nowhere did I quote WP:OSE. We cannot use present tense while quoting somebody like Roger Ebert. Hope you're satisfied with Twofingered Typist's explanation at your nom. —Vensatry (talk) 04:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- See ongoing at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Convinced? —Vensatry (talk) 06:01, 22 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- See ongoing at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:08, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @TonyTheTiger: Nowhere did I quote WP:OSE. We cannot use present tense while quoting somebody like Roger Ebert. Hope you're satisfied with Twofingered Typist's explanation at your nom. —Vensatry (talk) 04:43, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Emily Ratajkowski was copyedited by WP:GOCE in this regard. Here is how I explained it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Kalki Koechlin/archive3 for Numerounovedant Please ignore that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS that is inconsistent with this advice. It is confusing to me. Here is my interpretation. Write in past tense about things from to past. E.g., she made a movie, filmed a pilot. Write in present tense about things that are not in the past. A movie, although made in the past, lives for a long time if not forever (like a building). The movie is in the present like a building is. Thus, an opinion about a thing that is present is written about in the present. A critical commentary about a building or a movie would say. Critic X says the building is tall or the movie is good. We do not say critic X said the building was tall or the movie was good. Hope that helps.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 19:23, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- IIRC, we use present tense for films and literary stuff. The guideline says: Generally, do not use past tense except for deceased subjects, past events, and subjects that no longer meaningfully exist as such. – critical reviews of films become past events over a period of time. —Vensatry (talk) 18:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- I am not convinced on what is correct yet, but I am convinced that I am confused. Thus, I suggest that you ignore my concerns about WP:MOSTENSE, until further notice. I am quite pleased with the other issues of this review. I can now Support--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:28, 23 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments by Checkingfax – . Hi, Vensatry. I have performed several edits on Frida's article to help it qualify for a Featured Article promotion. Ping me back soon and I will !vote on it. Cheers! {{u|Checkingfax}} {Talk}
11:17, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Checkingfax: Thanks for polishing the article. —Vensatry (talk) 16:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
[edit]- Remove Twitter from the external links, per WP:ELNO.
- It's her personal (verified) account, so it's very much acceptable per WP:BLPEL. —Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- cnn.com --> CNN.
- Oops, fixed. —Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Is "Alt Film Guide" a RS?
- Replaced. —Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- What's ref 1 is for, to source her name? Or else you can place that at the end of her DOB.
- It's for the 'Selena' part. Moved to infobox. —Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yashthepunisher (talk) 11:14, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the comments. —Vensatry (talk) 12:25, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Support this nomination. Yashthepunisher (talk) 12:30, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks for the review, Yash. —Vensatry (talk) 12:50, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Coord note -- I didn't notice image or source reviews above so have listed requests at the top of WT:FAC, unless one of the reviewers above would like to do the honours... Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 07:41, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Image check - all OK
[edit]- All images are licensed under Creative Commons with sufficient source and author information.
- Derivatives are clearly labelled with attribution of the originals.
- Originals of Flickr-based derivatives show no signs of problems on Flickr. GermanJoe (talk) 00:23, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Thanks, GermanJoe! —Vensatry (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Source review
[edit]checking now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:35, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Joshi, Tushar ref used 3 times - material faithful to source
- Ramachandran, S. ref used 4 times - material faithful to source
- Daijiworld Media ref used 4 times - material faithful to source
- The Tribune (Chandigarh). ref used 4 times - material faithful to source
Ok looks in order. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:42, 5 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- @Casliber: Thanks for the review. —Vensatry (talk) 05:54, 6 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 13:55, 11 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. No further edits should be made to this page.