Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Freedom Planet/archive2
- The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.
The article was promoted by Ian Rose via FACBot (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC) [1].[reply]
- Nominator(s): Tezero (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Jill and Rachel are back! This article failed FAC two weeks ago as a result of the nomination stalling, but had one support and another detailed review that appeared to have come close to culminating as such. The second reviewer also copyedited the article in lieu of further comments at the time. Tezero (talk) 23:00, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Driveby comment from Curly Turkey
[edit]- If the game is not a translation of a Japanese title, then the Japanese in the lead is inappropriate—and much more so if "no Japanese-language version of the game has been released". Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:31, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's an unusual case; the katakana was deliberately included in all artwork alongside the English one for thematic effect. Obviously it wasn't derived from Japanese words, but neither were other titles such as Final Fantasy, Phantasy Star, or Biohazard. Tezero (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not "an unusual case"—it's a gimmick, and the way it's presented implies it's a translation. As it is, it only appears in a small font even in the artwork—not a parallel at all to Final Fantasy et al. It's showcasing trivia in the opening sentence. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, these things are always translations (Japanese's closest potential relation to English is in the controversial Nostratic family, so I don't think "Freedom", "Planet", "Final", or "Fantasy" are mistakeable as Japanese roots), but I'll remove it on the grounds that it hasn't been released in Japan, which now that I think about it does make it seem a little silly. Tezero (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The point with Final Fantasy is that it's (a) a Japanese game later translated into English, and (b) ファイナルファンタジー is the actual name of the game in Japanese, regardless of the roots of the words. Even if a Japanese version of the game were to appear, it would be a translation to and not from Japanese, so the
{{Nihongo}}would still be inappropriate. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- The point with Final Fantasy is that it's (a) a Japanese game later translated into English, and (b) ファイナルファンタジー is the actual name of the game in Japanese, regardless of the roots of the words. Even if a Japanese version of the game were to appear, it would be a translation to and not from Japanese, so the
- Well, these things are always translations (Japanese's closest potential relation to English is in the controversial Nostratic family, so I don't think "Freedom", "Planet", "Final", or "Fantasy" are mistakeable as Japanese roots), but I'll remove it on the grounds that it hasn't been released in Japan, which now that I think about it does make it seem a little silly. Tezero (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's not "an unusual case"—it's a gimmick, and the way it's presented implies it's a translation. As it is, it only appears in a small font even in the artwork—not a parallel at all to Final Fantasy et al. It's showcasing trivia in the opening sentence. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:42, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- It's an unusual case; the katakana was deliberately included in all artwork alongside the English one for thematic effect. Obviously it wasn't derived from Japanese words, but neither were other titles such as Final Fantasy, Phantasy Star, or Biohazard. Tezero (talk) 23:34, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm appalled that Czar would make this revert. There's no way that "indie" is in the appropriate register for an encyclopaedia article. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 00:57, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A quick search of indie game FAs from memory pulls up Bastion and Thirty Flights of Loving - the second uses "indie", while the first doesn't. It's a standard industry term, so I think it's acceptable despite its seeming informality - see indie rock. Tezero (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- All I can say is WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is an argument that should be avoided, and industry jargon is often not appropriate to an encyclopedia article with a general (not specialized) target audience—and "independent developer" is more comprehensible than "indie" to a larger swath of readers. Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 02:39, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A quick search of indie game FAs from memory pulls up Bastion and Thirty Flights of Loving - the second uses "indie", while the first doesn't. It's a standard industry term, so I think it's acceptable despite its seeming informality - see indie rock. Tezero (talk) 02:27, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from JimmyBlackwing
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I'm almost finished with the copyedit. However, I noticed original research in the Reception section, which I've tagged accordingly. The issue of Reception synthesis was unresolved last time, and I have no intention of letting it slip by uncontested here. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 18:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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Support: It's been a long road, but I think the article is ready to be featured. Good work. JimmyBlackwing (talk) 04:23, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Freikorp
[edit]Support on sources: Comprehensive source check finds no evidence or copyright violations or close-paraphrasing, no dead links or redirects, and no unreliable sources. Primary sources are used sparingly; Japanese source and game source accepted in good faith. This primary source [2] shows there is a downloadable demo for MAC OS X, yet there is no mention of this in the article. Perhaps add a brief mention of the demo - is there any information from developers at the forums for this game regarding an upcoming Mac release? Support is pending this one issue being addressed. Freikorp (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed, Freikorp; other sections of the website and DiDuro's personal blogs don't seem to mention anything further about a Mac release. Tezero (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Crisco 1492
[edit]- No need to gloss 2D in the lead, because you don't use that abbreviation again (in the lead)
- Done. Tezero (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- A bit of overuse of the word "however"
- Removed 4 of 10 instances. Tezero (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I think it's better to just omit that altogether - "as of" is more for when a specific date is mentioned in the source, and for statistics rather than simple facts like whether the full version of a game has been released. Tezero (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- You're saying it hasn't been released yet, which will date. When it has been released, it can be nixed altogether. The date an article was published can be used for a reference of the "as of" . — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:10, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- But there is no article; there's just an undated page on the game's website that says it's in development. Tezero (talk) 23:00, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- In such cases I've used access dates for that (at the FA level), backed up by an archival site like WebCite. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Done and done. Tezero (talk) 23:17, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Mac OS X games (the category) is a dab page
- Fixed. Tezero (talk) 21:45, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- No, but I got it (sorry, it was a redirect)
- The Danish Eurogamer's - Unclear whether he is Danish and the publication is Eurogamer, or the publication is Danish Eurogamer. Consider refactoring
- Done. Tezero (talk) 23:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Those extraneous reviews may be better on the talk page, not hidden
- Moved. Tezero (talk) 23:19, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Image review - All images have OTRS tags; AGF that they are proper. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 20:52, 21 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Support on prose and images. I must say, I do love indie developers. They'll donate amazing free images we can't expect from people like Capcom (though, if they read this, a free 1020px screencap of REmake would make me squee). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Or how about a third Mega Man Le- yeah, more publishers embracing free media would be great. Tezero (talk) 14:48, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comments from Jaguar
[edit]Seeing as I gave a review and left a support last time, and nothing much has changed, I've only got one or two questions other than 'concerns':
- "Polson noted minor audio and visual flaws, most notably the recycling of sound effects from Sonic" - which Sonic in particular or the first three games on the Genesis? Would be best to clarify
- The Genesis ones; done. Tezero (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I would split the References section into two columns as it exceeds the usual limit
- Done. Tezero (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- "However, about the voice acting, Grayson said, "Yikes"" - meaning what? Is that a compliment?
- Hah, no. Clarified. Tezero (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Is it possible to fit any more publications in the reception box?
- It is, but no more than these three gave actual scores. Tezero (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well I'm happy with the prose and if anyone thinks I'm being too lenient, please refer to the previous FAC. Almost nothing has changed and in fact this article has improved in almost every way, so I'll support this. ☯ Jaguar ☯ 17:34, 22 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Ian Rose (talk) 22:47, 31 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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