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The article was not promoted 19:48, 21 March 2008.

Flag of Japan

I'm nominating this article for featured article because, believe it not, this article is pretty stable despite it being a hotbed of Japanese politics. Granted, it still needs the copyedit, which it has been in line for a while now. I tried a balance of English and Japanese links, but if more English links are needed, please let me know and I will see what can happen. Unlike with some of the other flag articles I did, I managed to find photos and paintings of flags, instead of having to rely on all SVG graphics. Any comments or concerns are welcome, as always. Thanks for looking and for still wanting me here. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 01:27, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
- http://www.sg.emb-japan.go.jp/JapanAccess/national.htm gives a dead link. as does http://www.sg.emb-japan.go.jp/JapanAccess/national.htm
- Hood 2001 p. 70.. call me blind, but I'm not seeing a Hood listed as a reference. (I suggest listing a separate Sources section to make life easier on folks)

- Comment: "Hood" is given in Occupation of Japan as Hood, Christopher Philip (2001).Japanese Education Reform: Nakasone's Legacy. New York, NY: Routledge, Taylor and Francis Group. I agree that the refs in Flag of Japan should be formatted like those in Occupation of Japan. Ling.Nut (talk) 05:09, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I am working on the formatting, I am almost done with them. I am using a toolserver tool to get the formatting right. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Need publisher infomration on the following:
  - http://homepage2.nifty.com/captysd/yomoyama/syometu.htm
  - http://www.hbf.or.jp/grants/pdf/j%20i/14-ji-ishikawa.pdf
  - http://www.danandmary.com/danand2/atomicbombsummer05edwards3.htm I'm not sure this is a reliable site anyway...it looks like a personal site.
  - http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bd/2003-04/04bd042.htm needs complete formatting including publisher and last access date
  - http://www.zenkaren.net/gyokai/kumiai/siten2-okamoto2.html Could that publisher be put in English?
  - http://hb3.seikyou.ne.jp/home/miyamoto-s/topics/topics156.html needs complete formatting including publisher and last access date
  - http://homepage1.nifty.com/gyouseinet/kenpou/koushitsu/koushitsugiseirei.htm Is homepage.nifty.com analogous to the American geocities.com, and is this a personal web site?
  - http://www.pref.nagano.jp/soumu/koho/kensho/top.htm needs publisher (I see the author is a governmental agency, but it needs publisher too)
  - Same as above for http://www.city.yokohama.jp/ne/info/symbol/symbolmark.html
  - http://japan-world.iza.ne.jp/images/user/20070102/35233.jpg Needs publisher information.

I can't judge most of the Japanese sites for reliablity (heck, I can't even read most of them) so I'm at sea there. Ealdgyth | Talk 02:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed first URL (same as the second one). Working on the other URL's, which some have been contributed by Japanese users. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I am working on the others, fixed a few, but some of the websites, while like an American geocities, host copies of laws. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - please delete that links; so the references aren't many... but dead links and others aren't good references. MOJSKA 666 (msg) 12:46, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I already removed the dead links, unless more just cropped up since last night. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 14:26, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Might want to check on the prose. For example:

It was first adopted as the naval ensign on October 7, 1889, and was used until the end of World War II in 1945. It was re-adopted on June 30, 1954, and is now used again as Japan's naval ensign, used by the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force. miranda 21:57, 11 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copyediting now. On second section of first paragraph. miranda 04:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When the new flag law was passed on 13 August, 1999, the dimensions of the flag were altered slightly.^{[citation needed]} - What flag law and who passed it? miranda 05:17, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The law in question is the Law Regarding the National Flag and National Anthem. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 05:35, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The flag is flown from sunrise until sunset, though it is allowed to fly the flag from the opening and closing of a business or an educational facility.

Doesn't make sense. miranda 14:49, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Of course it makes sense, although a business or school is permitted to fly the flag from opening to closing would be more idiomatic. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I added PMAnderson's wording to the article. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:15, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Design

Passed in 1870, the Prime Minister's Proclamation No. 57 had two provisions. - how does this related to the flag's design. Need an introductory sentence before placing facts
- Read the next sentences, they will explain the flags design.

Subnational

Each province...Each ... - repetitive
- Fixing.

Imperial

Starting in 1869, flags were created for the Japanese emperor, his wife (the empress), and for other members of the imperial family. - which emperor?
- Adding. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 03:16, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Needs copyediting. Four errors in the first four paragraphs[1] does not bode well for the rest of the article. DrKiernan (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Had one requested for about 2 months now, just waiting for it. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 14:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see. I'm sorry but the prose just isn't up to FA standard at present, although it might improve if more FAC reviewers read through it.

Other comments

In the history section there are no dates for how old the oldest flag is and when the first records were written.
Why mention the Z signal flag? There's no real indication of why this single event is relevant or what the flag is.
The "Postwar period" section should be arranged chronologically, or thematically, at present I don't see the links between the paragraphs.
"The order requires school teachers to respect both symbols or risk losing their jobs" What does that mean? How do you show "respect"?
The first sentence of the "Design" section has confused verb tenses. It relates to something in 1870 but is in the present tense. It should probably be either "who flew it and how it was flown" or "who could fly it and how it was to be flown". I won't edit it myself because I can't find the information given in that sentence in the reference given at the end of it. DrKiernan (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I was hoping to have the copyedit done before the FAC, but I felt like after 2 months, I felt it was ignored. Anyways, the first known flag was in the 13th century, and that is the most specific date I got. The Z flag is important to Japan in a military sense. The Z flag is the same one that is used for ship signaling, which I will link to now. As for the respect, it is listed more in detail in the protocol section, but this usually means rising from their seats when the anthem is played, then facing the flag during the anthem. I fixed the last part of it; it mentioned on who had the right to fly the flag, when it should be flown and how it is made. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 00:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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