Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Evanna Lynch/archive1

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The article was not promoted by Karanacs 17:49, 14 September 2010 [1].

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Evanna Lynch

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• Featured article candidates/Evanna Lynch/archive1

Nominator(s): Alex Douglas (talk) 10:14, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

I am nominating this for featured article because... I believe it meets the featured article criteria. (Updated:) Evanna Lynch is an Irish actress who rose to prominence playing Luna Lovegood, a supporting role in the Harry Potter film and video game series. Her casting was "big news", she has received critical acclaim for her acting, and she has done fashion, modelling and charity work. Alex Douglas (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. Ucucha 11:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
• image review Both the images are suitably licensed , so no problems. I agree about the nomination statement though Jimfbleak - talk to me? 15:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I have expanded the nom statement. Thanks for the advice. Alex Douglas (talk) 10:13, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

• General comment: The nom statement is uninspiring. Who is she, why is she notable? Why not encourage us to read the article - you might get more attention that way. Brianboulton (talk) 13:53, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I have expanded the nom statement. Thanks for the advice. Alex Douglas (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Sources comments

• Ref 11: Allmovie is not a printed source and should not be italicised. Use "publisher" field
• Ditto Reuters, ref 19
• Ref 24: Why is http://www.spike.com/event/scream2009/page/vote/category/33654 reliable?
• Ref 25: I belief the publisher of this site is The Young Artists Foundation

Otherwise sources look OK. Brianboulton (talk) 14:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I have fixed your comments. Spike.com is the official website of the television channel Spike, the channel which the Scream Awards are broadcast on. It's the primary source for the awards. If it is unacceptable, there's an About.com article, [2]? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I'm happy to accept your assurances on Spike.com, provided other knowledgable editors don't object. Brianboulton (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Great. Thanks for your comments. Alex Douglas (talk) 00:49, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

File:Evanna Lynch at HBP signing in London - Dec 09.jpg

• Strong oppose. Why are you so obsessed with Luna Lovegood and such a big fanboy? And why bother getting an article like this to FA when it's only going to be demoted in a few months anyway when it gets degraded? This article is on an actress whose only just started her career. You'll just be wasting your time trying to keep the article in shape. Anyway, I can confirm that the article categorically fails the FA criteria. Here's why:
  • No need to link London in caption.
    • Delinked London. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Delink "Irish" - irrelevant.
    • Delinked Irish. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "in the Harry Potter film series." Perhaps note that they originate from the book series? Such as "in the film series of the Harry Potter books." Not every if such a Harry Potter fanboy.
    • Replaced "in the Harry Potter film series." with "in the Harry Potter film series adapted from the book series of the same name." as per your suggestion. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • met with critical acclaim - non-neutral fanboyism.
    • Removed "met with critical acclaim" as per your suggestion. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "of County Louth, Leinster" perhaps also add Ireland?
    • Added "Ireland" after "of County Louth, Leinster". Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "public primary school in Termonfeckin, County Louth". You've just told us Termonfucking is in County Louth, no need to repeat yourself.
    • Removed the redundant occurrence of "Termonfeckin". Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "Harry Potter series and became a prominent fan". Prominent? Maybe "keen" or "eager", or even "hardcore fangirl" would be more appropriate.
    • The usage of the word "prominent" in this sentence was discussed at this article's asdasd. According to Sarastro1, prominent implies that she was known or stood out in some way as a fan at the time. Lynch did "stand out as a fan", as sourced by a 2003 news article, published well before she was cast in the films. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
      • Actually the source has a bit more information that isuseful context - about her being released from hospital to receive one of a very limited number of signed copies. I would find a way to work that in, rather than leaving us readers guessing as to what made her "prominent". hamiltonstone (talk) 00:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Space between J. and K.
    • Added a space between J. and K. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Perhaps tell us more about these school plays?
    • I haven't found any information in a reliable source that could tell you any more. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "agents discovered". "Discovered" when it was she who went to them? That would be like me receiving post and saying I "discovered" a letter.
    • From my understanding of the word; discover means to be come aware of the existence of, especially something new. If don't think the word fits; could you please suggest an alternative? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "the fifth film in the series adapted from the books". Only now do we find out it's from the books.
    • As per your previous comment, the fact that the films are adapted from books is now mentioned in the lead. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "age 14" inconsistent with "fourteen" in the lead.
    • I have changed "fourteen" to 14, as per a Wikipedia guideline that says only numbers less than (or equal to?) ten should be spelled out. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Delink 2007.
    • Delinked. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "Lynch enjoyed playing the role." This is quite earth-shattering news.
    • Should I change this, remove this, or return the sentence to it's original form: "Lynch was appreciative of the role Luna played, calling her character "funny and really honest" and "a breath of fresh air". ?? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "proved to be a". Nothing here to "prove", especially as this was expected. "Was" would be better.
    • Changed to "was". Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "The film broke records for opening-day sales and opening-weekend takings and was the second highest-grossing film of 2009." Maybe a comma before the second "and", or even reword "takings, becoming the second.."?
    • Rewored as per your suggestion. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "called her the Best Irish Actress" - why is this capitalised? you can't "call" someone an award, if that's what it is.
    • Removed capitals from "Best" and "Actress". Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "for Best Supporting Actress". There's no such thing as a "Best Supporting Actress" in the Young Artist Award (only the Scream Award) so this is midleading.
    • Changed the sentence to "Her performance earned her Scream Award and Young Artist Award nominations." Is this better? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "games: Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part I." No need for a colon.
    • Removed colon. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Maybe link speculative fiction. That seems more relevant than primary school and webcast.
    • Linked speculative fiction. Should I delink primary school and webcast? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Diacritic on Ciaran Sweeney.
    • Added diacritic. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "participation with the". participate "in"?
    • I don't understand your comment. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "and participated in". Ungrammatical, as well as repetitive.
    • Replaced "and participated in" with "and took part in". Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • "She launched the Multiple Sclerosis Society of Ireland's MS Readathon" Clumsy
    • It reads fine to me: "She launched the [charity's--possessive noun] [fundraiser--noun]..." Could you elaborate please? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Where does it say they promote literacy? Reading books is not necessarily promoting literacy.
    • Removed "promote literacy".
  • Remove redirects.
    • Which redirects? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Why do some newspapers have publishers and some don't? BBC News shouldn't be italised. Some things are linked, some aren't. Also some other oddities in the references.
    • I have added publishers for all printed sources. BBC News is italicized because it is a work, published by the BBC. I believe I have fixed these oddities; if not, which oddities are you referring to specifically? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

The article doesn't seem very comprehensive at all. The whole article seems underdeveloped. I notice that she's only famous for playing this Luna Lovegood but there's absolutely no information on who this person is. That seems like a fundamental omission. The article also isn't neutral: you've just cherry-picked quotes to make it seem like this actress is more fantastic than it is, there's no negative remarks or insightful analysis, just unrepentant gushing praise fanboyism. Anyway, I suggest you withdraw your nomination as the flaws are too serious to be fixed in the timescale. Even if somehow you do and get the supports you need, the article as I said above will only get worse with time and you won't be able to keep it in shape. Actually maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you're such a fanboy that you will indeed spend the next half-century of your life dedicated to keeping this article an FA. Remains to be seen.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.247.236 (talk • contribs) 01:07, September 13, 2010

My advice to the nominator is to ignore the invective from this IP and focus on working on the article. It is always good to have people trying to get articles up to the highest standard :-) hamiltonstone (talk) 03:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your review 86.141.247.236. I have search every review on Rotten Tomatoes for Order of the Phoenix and Half-Blood Prince for "luna", "evanna" or "lynch" and I have not found one negative comment regarding her, her character or her performance. I believe I have fixed many of the flaws you've specified; if there any more, I encourage you to specify them below. :) Thanks again for your review, and thank you to Hamiltonstone for those kind words and emoticon. :) Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose. Notwithstanding the grumpy or derisive tone of the IP, they have identified a range of issues, many of which I agree need fixing. Other things:
• Is the Tubridy Show a reliable source??
  • I'm not Irish, but from my understanding of it: the host Ryan Tubridy is a highly prominent, reputable guy and the show's broadcaster RTÉ Radio 1 is the principal radio channel of Raidió Teilifís Éireann, the public service broadcaster of Ireland. The show itself ran for five years and had high listenership figures. That's the most I can tell you. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
• Couple of online source retrieval dates missing.
  • I've had a look over them, but which sources specifically? Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
    • My bad, I had misread as links to online sources what were in fact wikilinks. Ignore. hamiltonstone (talk) 00:49, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
• "While on the Harry Potter set, she was tutored for at least three hours a day." That's nice for her. But apart from the sourcing problem I;ve already noted, the WP text doesn't say in what. Speculative fiction? Surely not - does it mean her secondary schooling? hamiltonstone (talk) 02:16, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Thank you very much for your review Hamiltonstone. I highly presume she meant her secondary schooling, she was rather non-specific on the show. Thanks again! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
• Comment I don't believe pro gay marriage activism counts as "charity" and for the videogame thing it should be clarified what this entails as it is not obvious. Do they paste her face in various poses onto a figure, or does she record catchcries that are used when a character does certain things? Per WP's aversion to crystal balling, it may be better to reframe the lead sentence about the next film to say that filming is done and due for release YellowMonkey (new photo poll) 04:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
  • Charity is centered around goals of a general philanthropic nature. An example of such nature, is education, the process of transmitting knowledge, skills and personal and cultural morals, values and ethics to another. She is "educating" others on a position of ethics. Little bit of a stretch; but the HPA is a charitable organization. She is a voice artist for the game; I will check the source in the morning. Is the 'final film' stuff really necessary in the lead? It's covered in the "Career" section and the lead is just summary. Thanks very much for your comments. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 15:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

• This nomination was archived several hours ago by Karanacs; pls see WP:FAC/ar. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)
  • I'm sorry that I added it back at WP:FAC. I was not informed that the article was archived, and I am unsure why it was. I'll ask Karanacs for her reasoning. Thanks! Alex Douglas (talk) 04:21, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

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