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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 21:35, 26 November 2010 [1].

Common Firecrest

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Nominator(s): Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Lovely bird, with thy golden crown./A kind and tender nurse art thou,/Making thy nest of moss and down,/And hanging it on the bending bough."
At its GAN, this was given a thorough FAC-type review by User:Sasata. I think it's ready to roll. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:36, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comment: All sources and citations look OK. Brianboulton (talk) 21:48, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Images comment: All images look good license-wise, and File:Regulus ignicapilla -Galicia, Spain -singing in a conifer tree-8 (1).jpg is adorable. J Milburn (talk) 23:47, 7 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think that not many people will be able to read "File:Temminck regulus.png", because it is not in English. The field for the language in its cited reference in the caption has not been used. I think that the translation in English could be added to the image description on commons, or this image could be removed from the page without much loss to the page. Snowman (talk) 14:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Is the alternative spelling a synonym? if so it probably should be detailed in the infox. Snowman (talk) 12:15, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll add a sentence about the fungi. Some level of mite presence seems to be very common, and presumably not normally harmful. Problems seem to arise mainly with domesticated birds. Unsurprisingly, there is nothing on which fungi are found on Firecrests, or their specific diet. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 10 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I used an Google translate and found that kinglet is "βασιλίσκος" in Greek and not "βασιλικοεκς" which is what is currently on the page. I do not know what is correct, but I think it needs double checking. Snowman (talk) 19:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Ok, taking a read through, as I have been woken by drunk housemates. Hope this makes sense...

  • "Juvenile Common Firecrest might be confused with Goldcrest" Plurals or definite/indefinite articles?
  • added def articles
  • "Yellow-browed also" You've referred to it as "the Warbler", it's not being referred to as "Yellow-browed"?
  • added "warbler"
  • "The songs of the Mediterranean subspecies" Name?
  • added R. i. balearicus
  • "the Balearic Islands" Link?
  • linked in lead earlier
  • "the crests" This refers to Goldcrests and Firecrests collectively? Is there perhaps a generic name or something instead?
  • It's a common usage for the European birds, and just gives a bit of variation from "kinglet". The genus Regulus includes species in addition to the two European ones, and might be misleading
  • "in Europe from Southern England, France, Spain and Portugal east to Belarus, northwestern Ukraine and Turkey, and north to the [Baltic and southern Latvia." Spare bracket. Also, why a link to Baltic and not others? Belarus and Latvia are surely more obscure?
  • I think it's FAC practice now not to link countries, and I'm reluctant to decide on the relative notability of sovereign states
  • "ignore each other's songs" Caught my eye. Is that apostrophe correct?
  • I think so, there surely must be an apostrophe, and I've referred to the species in the singular. I'm prepared to be corrected though
  • "robbers like Grey Squirrels Eurasian Jays and Great Spotted Woodpeckers." Comma?
  • done
  • "as well as various arthropods typically avoided by adults, such as harvestmen, earwigs, and centipedes." Why?
  • No idea, and sources don't say. They are quite large and crunchy, so perhaps the adults prefer to shove them into the all-accepting gapes of the ravenous young rather than tackle these tricky items themselves
  • "warblers" Not caps?
  • The only occurrences I could see were references to genera (Sylvia, Phylloscopus) rather than individual species
  • "Throughout the Firecrest's range, the main predator of small woodland birds is the Eurasian Sparrowhawk taking avian prey as up to 98% of its diet." Another comma may be useful.
  • Yes, done
  • "including Proctophyllodes glandarinus on Firecrest" Link?
  • Done, although I'm not holding my breath waiting for the article to be written
  • "on fungi growing on the feathers" What sort of fungi?
  • One reason that I'm vague about the diet of the mites is that I can find nothing to suggest that anyone has researched the feather fungi on these species. Most work refers to pathological fungi in domesticated species
  • "feathers, emerged" Lose the comma?
  • Done
  • Perhaps "cultural references" would be better than "in culture"?
  • Well, I've used the latter consistently in my other FAs, so I'm inclined to stick with it
  • What's the poem you quote in the nomination? Does that not have a place in the culture section?
  • Minstrelsy of the Woods by Robert Mudie. It's by a scientist, not a poet, and very obscure - try Googling it! Too nn

Very nice. Now, bed. J Milburn (talk) 03:21, 14 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for fix and support, sorry Sasata and J Milburn have left so little meat for you! Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:35, 18 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Impression: I have edited the article and I edit birds pages, which could be seen a as conflict of interest; however, I think that I have been objective. Very good article. It is possible that further copy-editing issues might be found; however, I would support FA after the three new problems I have listed above and any other issues yet to be listed have been repaired or explained. Snowman (talk) 16:52, 22 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments:

  • Regulus bulgaricus is not actually from the Pliocene when you place the Plio-Pleistocene boundary at 2.6 Ma, as you do in this article; it is from MN 17, which is 2.6–1.95 Ma. The confusion arises because the Gelasian (2.6–1.8 Ma) was previously considered Pliocene, but is now included in the Pleistocene. Also, why does the species not merit a red link?

(More to come.) Ucucha 22:38, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Much better; it could use some minor tweaking (you have "BP" once and "mya" another time, better to use the same measure; and you round 2.588 mya to 2.6 once but not the other time). Ucucha 14:02, 23 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Do we know the identity of the fungi growing on its feathers?
  • Is the range expansion in Europe because of climate change?

Ucucha 16:36, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Could you be more specific than "Caucasus"? The map suggests its distribution only includes a tiny proportion of the whole mountain range. Further, I think Crimea should also be mentioned there. Ucucha 19:12, 24 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are isolated populations east of the main range in Abkhazia, the Crimea and Turkey. — It should be borne in mind that distribution maps are fairly crude, especially away from western Europe - BWP states, for example, that the distribution in Romania is probably more widespread than shown, and has question marks east of Poland. Nevertheless, both books show the Crimean and eastern Black Sea outliers, so amended as indicated Jimfbleak - talk to me? 10:27, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support just a couple of nitpicks you need to take care of.

  • Lead - either "with fledging 22-24 days" or "which fledge 22-24 days"… the current phrasing is wrong.
  • A lot of your sentences in the lead start with "It… " could a little bit of variation be possible?
  • Description: "The Common Firecrest is a small plump bird, 9 cm (3.5 in) in length with a wingspan of 13–16 cm (5.1–6.3 in),[2] and weighing 4–7 g (0.15–0.25 oz)." Shouldn't that be "weighs"?
  • I think you may need to explain what a nominate form is, you refer to it often but never link or explain it.


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