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The article was promoted by SandyGeorgia 02:16, 16 July 2010 [1].

Black Currawong

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Nominator(s): Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured article because I am (a) working towards a Featured Topic having buffed this birdy's relatives the Pied Currawong and Grey Currawong and feel it is on a par with those. It is a shorter article as it has a smaller range and body of knowledge to work with. Have at it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:09, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment—no dab links, no dead external links. The lead could perhaps be a little longer. I noticed that the ABBBS link includes a record from mainland Victoria. Ucucha 06:33, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weird. There is no discussion of it in the text. I have not seen anything suggesting of it being found in Victoria anywhere - a misattribution? Will look into it. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:06, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sources comment: Just one small query: In Note 2, What does "Pl. 5" signify? The publisher? Otherwise all sources look OK, no other outstanding issues. Brianboulton (talk) 23:47, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It stands for Plate 5. Should I unabbreviate? Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That would clarify. And can the publisher's name be added? Brianboulton (talk) 08:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Wow, I'd not realised Gould published his own work...bit different to now though I suspect :) Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:12, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The Black Currawong has been recorded in gardens in Hobart and around Mount Wellington in winter." Would the reader be helped if you mentioned Hobart is the state capital and it's in the south of the state? Also say how Mount Wellington looks over Hobart and is not just a random mountain in the middle of no where. Aaroncrick TALK 23:55, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty straightforward to clarify so I did. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:14, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I growed the first one - 2nd number comes from Higgins. Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Support Comments by Sasata (talk) 21:12, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • lead: link King Island, heathland, arboreal
linked first two, arboreal currently a redirect to Arboreal locomotion which is not a good fit really, as it is more about climbing animals etc. Need to have a look and think about it Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
update - I think a wiktionary link to arboreal is the best at this stage Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:53, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The habitat includes denser forested areas" denser than what? how about "densely"?
densely done Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • link species name, nominate
linked x 2 Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "A bird was sighted in July 2004 near Fern Tree, Tasmania, less than 2 km (1.2 mi) from where it had been banded in July 1989." Why is this in the description section?
I've usually placed material on longevity after discussion of moutls and juvenile plumage and age of acquisition of adult plumage, and has hence flowed naturally from description, but I don't have that info for this species so really sticks out here I agree. Shall I put it in behaviour? Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:25, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe just make it more explicit that the sentence is about longevity, so it will more smoothly flow from the preceding sentence; currently it seems to be focused on the fact the bird was not far away from its banding spot. Sasata (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Good point. clarified. I had actually meant to do that before and got distracted somewhere. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "…lacks the white rump and undertail converts." converts?
coverts. oops. fixed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • link Bass Strait, least Concern
done x 2 Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "making the 20 km journey" convert, and needs adjective form
done x 2 Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:55, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Forest Raven needs link in Dist & Hab section (it is currently linked in Feeding section); link gully
I just delinked Forest Raven there as actually linked in description section. Gully linked Casliber (talk · contribs) 07:01, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They have been observed impaling larger prey (such as chickens or rabbits) on sticks," Vicious! Are these prey already dead, or does the bird have remarkable fencing skills?
expanded to clarify Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mey (2004) should have German language specified
done Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • the parasite Acuaria (Cheilospirura) streperina has also been found in this species (and is named after it). source: Johnston & Mawson, 1941. "Some nematode parasites of Australian birds". Proc. Linn. Soc. N.S.W. 66:250-256; the parasite Oxyspirura streperae was found under the eyelids of a museum specimen. source: Johnston & Mawson, 1941. "Some parasitic nematodes in the collection of the Australian museum" 21:9-16.
    • If I recall correctly, those were from specimens of "Strepera fuliginosa" in South Australia, which were apparently misidentified. Ucucha 06:23, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes I am sure that is some misapplication of the name. However I have found no source identifying it as a misapplication so I cannot add and correct, which is frustrating. Hence less misleading to just leave out. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • why not use this article: Fletcher JH. (1922). "Field notes on the Black Bell-Magpie, Strepera fuliginosa." Emu Melbourne 22:60-63. I noticed the article cites another paper by this author, but dated 4 years earlier.
? - I have a few times. It is currently ref 17 (was 28 but I found another bit of info from it) Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, nevermind. Sasata (talk) 20:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • no mention of the synonym Cracticus fuliginosus Gould 1836? (see here)
amazing. Higgins missed that totally. Okay, I read teh original and added with nifty latin description. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Comments: (edit conflict) Article looks great! Just what I would expect from you. Only a couple of comments.
    • Is there a published cladogram to show its closest relations visually?
It would only have three species on it - I could make one which has Pied and Black as sister taxa and Grey as outlier - if you think this would help I can add. Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:16, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I should add the other issue that gives me pause is that the taxonomy section abuts the range map, hence any cladogram might look a bit squashed in this section... Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:57, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Personally, I prefer to see a cladogram because I'm a more visual person. Plus it makes it clearer for people who can't follow the language. It's not a requirement, though. Also, if it's a small, 3-species cladogram with 2 sister taxa, wouldn't it fit if it were left-aligned in the section? Like the range map comment below, I won't hold you up on this. – VisionHolder « talk » 23:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You have a very nice range map, but at a quick glance (and assuming I either don't read the lead sentence or don't know where Tasmania is), it can be a little confusing. I don't know what you've done for your past FAs, but it would be nice if the graphic somehow incorporated a small view of Australia, highlighting the island of Tasmania somewhere in the corner.
Gnangarra (talk · contribs) did something like it for Banksia ericifolia here - I take it this is what you mean? I am only just feeling my way around making graphics now and might have a crack at it if I get some time Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Something like that would be fine, although I prefer having a small map in the corner so that your beautiful map fills up most of the graphic. For example, take a look at the Fossa range map, which uses the template I created for Malagasy fauna. Obviously, I won't hold you up on this. Graphic creation goes far beyond FAC criteria, especially if you're just learning. However, if you ever want suggestions or other help, particularly with SVG graphics, just let me know. Inkscape is a wonderful tool. – VisionHolder « talk » 23:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "They have been observed impaling larger prey (such as chickens or rabbits) on sticks..." – This is very interesting. How exactly do they did they do this? Did they pick them up and drop them on sticks, or did they stab them? Does the source provide the details?
added and expanded - see above Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's all I have. – VisionHolder « talk » 21:28, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support, apart from this bizarre standalone sentence sitting incongruously on its own under "Behaviour": A species of chewing louse Australophilopterus curviconus has been recovered from a Black Currawong near Launceston. Huh? hamiltonstone (talk) 02:35, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I clarified that many chewing lice are species-specific arthropods (paper discusses a whole bunch of species-specific ones....). It is hard to append that info to any other para in the article.... Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:10, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
They're all home-made, so no problem YellowMonkey (vote in the Southern Stars and White Ferns supermodel photo poll) 01:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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