Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Battle of Vaslui/archive1

Battle of Vaslui

self-nom

We need more battles on Wiki. I think this article, for being a battle article, is cool. It involves many different parties and nations. The article seems to be rather complete, but I'm sure people can still improve it in certain areas. --Anittas 15:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object. No references and no pictures. Johnleemk | Talk 16:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Can you highlight specific passages where wokr needs to be done?. Unsigned: user:Thethinredline

Like John said, we need more references, but to say that we have no references would be wrong. I will add those that I know of and I'll ask another dude to do the same. As for pictures; unfortunatelly, there aren't any pictures of the battle, that I know of, but I do know that pictures aren't required. I guess we could add the picture of some of the leaders. Would that be relevant? --Anittas 18:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Um, the current references are not formatted properly; please see WP:CITE. And yes, pictures of the leaders would be fine. Johnleemk | Talk 13:42, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - How are they supposed to be? --Anittas 21:27, 12 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    - Wikipedia:Cite sources/example style. Johnleemk | Talk 13:11, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object due to lack of references. Direct citations are necessary at least for the size of the Ottoman army and its casualties (I see three different numbers given with no explanation of where they come from) and for the assertion that the "invasion was the worst ever defeat for the Ottomans at that time"; and some more English-language references would be helpful in general. Kirill Lokshin 21:43, 11 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Agree with what others have said regarding references, though this shouldn't be too difficult to overcome as the article seems to cover the subject matter in sufficient depth (one web article I saw refers to this as the "Battle of the Buglers"). As far as images go, if there's not a nice painting of the Battle (as have been prepared for many other conflicts) something depicting the armies would be helpful; however, a map would be the most beneficial in terms of conveying information. Unfortunately, the City article for Vaslui is only a stub.--Lordkinbote 07:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm working on adding more references. Give me 4 days. As for pictures, I don't know where to find them. I have a drawing of the battle, from a book, from the communist times; the picture is not copyrighted (communist times). Is it allowed to add it? If not, we could just add photos of the leaders. Thanks for your contribution. --Anittas 14:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - If it has no copyright, it is in the public domain, so sure, go ahead! Johnleemk | Talk 15:32, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Object. I agree with Kirill. He and I read, write and edit A LOT of battle articles. This one is simply not yet up to the standards. There are some factual and wording problems, which I helped a bit to address in my edits (such as referring to the sipahis as light cavalry. They were actually heavy by Ottoman standards, but they often get confused in the west with the Timariots, who were the light horse, feudal levies). A map would most certainly be helpful. The author obviously has a great knowledge of the battle itself, but English is not their primary language. I would gladly help them with this. Towards these ends, I suggest it go to Peer Review for some more work, then be resubmitted.--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 20:37, 13 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You're more than welcome to help out, Ghost. You don't need my permission. As for the rest, I still ask for about 4 days, so that I can add references, etc. --Anittas 20:41, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Here's an example of what I consider a very well done battle article, worthy of FA support: Battle of Nicopolis--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 18:58, 14 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I think that the red links should be addressed. Also, any political implications of the battle? InvictaHOG 00:05, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm going to write a stub on Grigore, soon, if no one else is doing it. No problem there. I'm not sure what you mean when saying "political implications". I thought everything was described in the background section. Btw., is that you who made the map for the battle of nicopolis? If so, can you do the same for this article? Thanks. Be back later. --Anittas 00:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support OmegaWikipedia 12:49, 15 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Addentum: Okay, I've added new references and two pictures of the leaders. The article seems a bit messy, now. There are many red links, now. That's because the historians that I've used in my references, are not well-known. Should I un-link their names? Other than that, I don't think I can do much more. I've looked at other battle articles and they don't have that many references; probably because no-one forced them cite everything they said. I also added new information. If anyone can help, please do. I don't think the article has a chance to be nomindated. I checked on the Battle of Kadesh. If that article was not featured, then my article has no chance. I think this sucks. Most featured articles are dull. They're about train companies and stuff; and just recently someone nominated an article for chicken soup. Bad timing, dude! --Anittas 19:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]