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The following is an archived discussion of a featured article nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The article was promoted by FrB.TG via FACBot (talk) 12 May 2024 [1].

1914 FA Cup final

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Nominator(s): Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 08:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This was the first final to be attended by a reigning monarch. Although both teams struggled with the heat and nerves, the King was treated with a worldie. I've used contemporary and modern sources, and am curious what you think of it. All comments are appreciated! Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 08:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

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  • I don't think "of which six Lancastrians" works grammatically. I think it should be "of whom six were Lancastrians" (in two places)
    • Done
  • "Watched by a crowd of 72,778, although attendance figures ranged between 72,000 and 100,000" - this reads oddly - if wildly varying figures were given, a reader may wonder how you settled on the figure of 72,778? I think you need to clarify that this was the official attendance figure
    • Removed the latter part (but retained it in the body of the article)
  • "became the first footballer to receive the trophy from a reigning monarch" - is this not a bit redundant to the mention just a few sentences earlier that it was the first final attended by a monarch?
    • True, reworded
  • "Burnley began its campaign" => "Burnley began their campaign" would be by far the more common way to express this
    • Done
  • Boo hiss to Liverpool for beating Gillingham!
    • This made me chuckle, thanks.
  • You mention that West Ham and QPR played in the Southern League but not the Gills?
    • Added
  • "Villa won 12 of their last 13 matches before the semi-final tie" => "Villa had won 12 of their last 13 matches before the semi-final tie"
    • Done
  • "It was the first meeting between both clubs" => "It was the first meeting between the clubs"
    • Done
  • "The Birmingham Daily Post stated the majority expected" => "The Birmingham Daily Post stated that the majority expected"
    • Done
  • "Although improvements were since made to the ground" => "Although improvements had since been made to the ground"
    • Done
  • "Miller scored for Liverpool but he was ruled offside by the referee" - in that case he didn't score, is there a way to reword this?
    • Reworded
  • "and made slow progression" => "and made slow progress"
    • Done
  • That's what I got - great article! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:30, 5 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Mike Christie

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Support.

  • "One of the people in attendance was Freeman's father, who travelled 13,000 miles (21,000 km) from Australia to see his son play": this seems unlikely as he would have to have left before the semifinals given sailing times.

That's the only thing I can find to complain about, and it doesn't affect my support. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library)

  • Hi Mike, thank you very much! Hmm good point about the travelling. It might be possible he was staying in the UK for a few weeks/months, not just for the final, but the reports only mention him having travelled many miles and being present at the final. Do you think the sentence should be deleted or retained? Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 19:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do the sources actually they he came specially to see his son, or just for the final? I think it's worth mentioning whatever the sources can support (so long it's not illogical per the travel time). Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The (book) references just stated the fact without further context. However, I found a reference (by the Burnley Express) that did provide some further info; Freeman sr. was visiting family! I've corrected it in the article and added the ref. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 21:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image and source review

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I'd probably put a "PD-published too long ago" template on File:1914 fa cup final programme.jpg just to be safe - while I don't think it's copyrightable, it's also quite long and "selection and arrangement" copyright might be close. That image also needs ALT text. Regarding File:The King George V presents the FA Cup 1914.jpg do we know when it was published? What is "Football Post"? Is historicalkits a reliable source? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:51, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Jo-Jo Eumerus, thanks for the review. I added that template, and added ALT text. Looking in the British Newspaper Archive, the second picture was already published two days after the final (in the Sheffield Daily Telegraph; added the info on Commons). Football Post was part of Nottingham Post; added wikilinks in the article. Historicalkits is a site used on many FACs, the authors/historians/experts make use of books and newspapers (as can e.g., be seen at the bottom of the Burnley entry). Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 10:35, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good afternoon @Jo-Jo Eumerus: have I addressed your concerns? Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 11:45, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Did check some sources for reliability indicators and it seems they are fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:50, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Airship

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As always, these are suggestions, not demands; feel free to refuse with justification.

  • The leagues that the teams were playing in should be mentioned, probably in both the lead and the body.
    • Done
  • I think that the second paragraph of the lead focuses excessively on the presence of the monarch, as "the emphasis given to material in the lead should roughly reflect its importance to the topic" (WP:LEAD); instead of the rose-in-buttonhole and crest details, it could mention who the favourites were, the teams' styles of play, or how they prepared.
    • On the subject of favourites, the corresponding paragraph in the body seems slightly confused: should "Liverpool were the favourites" be "Liverpool were the bookies' favourites" or similar, considering the subsequnt references to those who felt Burnley were the favourites?
      • Addressed both comments
  • "In the 58th minute, Teddy Hodgson headed the ball to Bert Freeman, who put Burnley 1–0 ahead with a powerful half-volley from around 15 yards (14 m)." Personally, I don't think the references to Teddy Hodgson, heading, or the distance are necessary: I would just say "Bert Freeman put Burnley in front with a powerful half-volley in the 58th minute."
    • Reworded
  • "Liverpool could not find an equaliser in the remaining minutes and the match ended 1–0." Perhaps just "Liverpool could not find an equaliser before the match ended", otherwise there's a repeat of the scoreline within a sentence.
    • Done

It turns out that that I have absolutely no problems with the rest of the article, just the lead, so I think I can support this article even without waiting on the actioning of the above. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:00, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AirshipJungleman29, thank you for the review! I've addressed your comments. Eem dik doun in toene (talk) 06:26, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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