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Kanye West studio albums

I am nominating Kanye West's studio albums to become a collective good topic because even after they have all been brought to GA-status by other editors and myself, I have continuously worked on the albums to help make improvements where possible. "What's your life like?" Looks like West has answered this question about himself for the past 16 years, releasing 11 mostly critically-acclaimed studio albums. The albums have also been generally praised by the public including the editors on this site, while West's commercial success has been consistently high! --K. Peake 07:34, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Kanye West studio albums

12 articles

The College Dropout

Late Registration

Graduation

808s & Heartbreak

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Watch the Throne

Yeezus

The Life of Pablo

Ye ^(subtopic)

Kids See Ghosts

Jesus Is King

Contributor(s): K. Peake, Bruce Campbell, Isento, Holiday56, igordebraga, Nice4What, STATicVapor

Comment

I was invited to comment and am proud to have been a part of this admirable testament to a major artist's work, as well as the contributions of several major editors over the years. I commend Kyle Peake for having the vision to create this topic. However, while it does appear to fulfill the criteria for good article topics, I am uncertain whether this topic will be able to retain its status with the forthcoming West album's article, Donda (album), currently in future status. The criteria page's section on retention allows for a grace period of three months after the topic expands. So my only question is a matter of interpretation and anticipation. isento (talk) 08:47, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Isento: That is a very good point to make thank you, though I had a discussion about this with another user and we came to the agreement that it is fine to nominate this as a GT while Donda: With Child is pending release since the retention period will not begin for the GT until the album has been released – to elaborate further, I will be willing to dedicate time to expanding the article when the album is out and will likely be able to have brought it to GA status within less than three months. How do you feel now after reading these comments? --K. Peake 10:07, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine. If it's not a problem, I support this topic's nomination. isento (talk) 10:09, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: What's the logic for including Kids See Ghosts but not Watch the Throne or Jesus is Born? Aren't all three collaborative studio albums? -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 14:26, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanrutherford0: Watch the Throne is included if you look through the list of articles properly but Jesus Is Born is not since it is not really a West album, as he does not provide vocals for any of the tracks at all and unlike Kids See Ghosts, the Sunday Service Choir is not the name of a group that West is a part of; the album is only listed in his chronology because leads and conducts them. --K. Peake 15:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I missed Watch the Throne there. I mean, Jesus Is Born is in Kanye West albums discography and Template:Kanye West; it seems to me like it probably needs to be here for the proposal to be complete. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 15:36, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanrutherford0: I do understand your reason in the context of the album's presence on Wiki, but are you sure the issue might be with it being included in the wrong areas of the site rather than it not being included in this GTC? --K. Peake 15:45, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar enough with Kanye's body of work or the critical reception and understanding of the album Jesus Is Born to have an opinion about whether it's really a "Kanye West album" or not; but, its presence in that list and template indicates that other editors here have established a consensus that it is. If you don't think it belongs in that list and template, then you should probably take it up with the editors who've worked on those items, but I'll point out that (as your proposal here makes clear) Kanye West albums discography is a featured list, so its contents represent the consensus of a lot of reviewers after a lot of scrutiny. -Bryan Rutherford (talk) 16:08, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Bryanrutherford0: Yeah that is a reasonable point and this being a GTC without Jesus Is Born may cause divisive opinions on Wiki, so it is advisable to wait and see what other editors say. However, do you see any issues with the albums that are included here? --K. Peake 17:05, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – Huge congrats to Kyle and everyone else for putting so much work into bringing this topic back up to standard. Since WTT and KSG are included, it does bring up a valid point as to whether or not Jesus Is Born should be included. I don't know much about JIB, but WTT and KSG are both co-credited to West directly, and since JIB is solely credited to the Sunday Service Choir, to me it doesn't seem to qualify as a Kanye West studio album, even though West was involved. That's just my two cents. – zmbro _(talk) 17:22, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Zmbro: Nice pick up on Bryanrutherford0's earlier comments there, though do you think a discussion should be held on the talk pages for West's albums discography and his template as well around whether or not the album really counts as one of his studio albums? Also, are you willing to place your support behind this GTC? --K. Peake 18:03, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that's necessary, it doesn't seem to be that much of an issue at hand imo. And yes I do support. – zmbro _(talk) 18:10, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nice to see this topic I once nominated to the GTs be restored to proper quality. igordebraga ≠ 17:50, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Igordebraga: Thank you, it is an honor to have continued your great work and how do you feel about West's later releases that I promoted to GA status; are you a fan of his more recent output as well as the older stuff? --K. Peake 17:54, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not that familiar with this work, just decided to renominate College Dropout for the GA because the main contributor quit Wikipedia, and since that completed the topic pushed it into here. But some of his recent output certainly shows a man losing his marbles - who in their right mind would make something like "I Love It"? igordebraga ≠ 18:14, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I appreciate the efforts of the nominator, Kyle, and other editors in contributing to a vast catalog of perhaps the most critically acclaimed (and most controversial) artist of contemporary music. I have the same query regarding the exclusion of Jesus Is Born from this GTC. Since the article is included in the featured list Kanye West albums discography, and in the template {{Kanye West}}, that West is not a member of the group is not a valid reason for its exclusion. It seems a consensus must have been reached that it is an album of West, given that he is the record's executive producer after all. Probably a discussion regarding whether JIB rightfully belongs to Kanye West discography or not should have been conducted before this GTC. HĐ (|talk) 05:45, 27 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It is not a Kanye West album per se, and I have added a footnote to the discography article with citations from a few reliable sources explaining so (Kanye_West_albums_discography#cite_ref-69). isento (talk) 09:06, 30 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@HĐ: After Isento has opined about Jesus Is Born above following on from my earlier comments, do you still not wish to support or have you changed your viewpoint now? --K. Peake 21:18, 3 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I am happy to support this GTC. Brilliant work (on a side note, please don't find it surprising that someone who listens to Taylor Swift like me can listen--and actually enjoy--Kanye West's music), HĐ (talk) 02:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

HĐ That is amazing to hear and I was initially anxious to ask for your opinion of West due to this, but seeing both sides is a great value! --K. Peake 09:49, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Closed with a consensus to promote to Good Topic - GamerPro64 03:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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