Wikipedia:AMA Requests for Assistance/Requests/January 2007/Jezhumble

Case Filed On: 13:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedian filing request:

Lemongoat

Other Wikipedians this pertains to:

Rumpelstiltskin223

Wikipedia pages this pertains to:

Devadasi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Questions:

Have you read the AMA FAQ?

Answer: Yes

How would you describe the nature of this dispute? (policy violation, content dispute, personal attack, other)

Answer: Personal attack

What methods of Dispute Resolution have you tried so far? If you can, please provide wikilinks so that the Advocate looking over this case can see what you have done.

Answer: Asking the other user repeatedly to refrain from attacking me personally on the talk page.

What do you expect to get from Advocacy?

Answer: I would like to end the thread on the Devadasi discussion page. Ideally I would also like to have his comments on my User talk page removed. Preferably he should also apologise for accusing me of being an "Indophobe bigot", "trotting off on an anti-Hindu rampage", "anti-Hindu bias" and "lying", but I don't hold out much hope for this.

Summary:

Discussion:

Opening Statement (to be written by Lemongoat)

Hi Daniel. Thanks for taking on this case. I should say that since posting this request, Rumpelstiltskin has apologised on my talk page and has not posted any more comments in the last 24 hours on the Devadasi thread we were engaged in. So long as this situation persists, I am happy to withdraw my request. Although I still believe the Devadasi page to inaccurately reflect the reality of Devadasis in modern India (as described in this report: http://nhrc.nic.in/Documents/ReportonTrafficking.pdf), I have lost the will to pursue this. However this is not your problem. The only outstanding action is for my requested username change to be carried out - I don't know if you can help with this. Thanks again for taking on this case.

It's too bad that you've lost the will to pursue it. I will say that given what I've read I think a lot of good points could be made in here. Give me a bit to look up the username change stuff.--Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 08:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and you should note that Rumpelstiltskin is probably engaging in a cooling off period, where both users step back and give eachother the cold shoulder for a while. While that is a great temporary solution, it leaves the core problem alone - and later you guys are bound to get into it again, so I really want to reccomend that you both try and solve this case now. --Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 08:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. In an ideal world I'd like to collaborate on getting the Devadasi page fixed, but I've just found the whole process too unpleasant and exhausting. I see from looking around Wikipedia talk pages that this is not uncommon, but I am just not cut out for the kind of ongoing adversarial debate that seems to be required to get anything done.
Response (to be written by Rumpelstiltskin223)

Now before I let you both go, I’d just like you guys to see a bit of what you wrote, these are select comments from the Devadasi talk page (abbreviating your names to Jez and Rump – time).

’’’Jez’’’ - Please grow up.
’’’Jez’’’ - This is laughable.
’’’Rump’’’- I am wondering if another sock puppet of User:BhaiSaab is up and about.
’’’Rump’’’- That is pure colonialist and Christian Missionary propaganda.
’’’Rump’’’- Please learn some wikipedia rules before trotting off on an anti-Hindu rampage
’’’Rump’’’- I should report you f
’’’Jez’’’- This is even more hilarious.
’’’Rump’’’- Pah! Don't make me laugh!
’’’Rump’’’- Do you follow? Also, regarding your "friends"
’’’Jez’’’- quite hilarious

Ok so obviously there is a battle going on here where both of you are trying to demean each other and gain some sort of moral superiority by saying the other’s argument is pathetic, “laughable.” Please try to maintain some decency on the talk page. You guys did the right thing in backing off on this, and while I hope you guys don’t lose interest in a topic just because of an argument, I completely understand why it happened here. Hope to work with you all again soon (well, not on the AMA) … --Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 08:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

OK, that's fair. Thanks for the heads up. Lemongoat 08:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Lemongoat[reply]

Followup:

When the case is finished, please take a minute to fill out the following survey:

Did you find the Advocacy process useful?

Answer: Yes. It's good to know there's somebody out there who will intervene.

Did your Advocate handle your case in an appropriate manner?

Answer: Yes. He was prompt and thorough.

On a scale of 1 (worst) to 5 (best), how polite was your Advocate?

Answer: 5. Very polite.

On a scale of 1 to 5, how effective do you feel your Advocate was in solving the problem?

Answer: His comments were appropriate and correct.

On a scale of 1 to 5, how effective do you feel the Advocacy process is altogether?

Answer: Based on one experience only, during which the advocacy process wasn't fully completed, I don't think I can judge.

If there were one thing that you would like to see different in the Advocacy process, what would it be?

Answer: Some way of getting it more quickly.

If you were to deal with this dispute again, what would you do differently, if anything?

Answer: Make sure I was very sure of my argument before saying anything, and refrain from using any kind of harsh language whatever the provocation.

Lemongoat 08:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Lemongoat[reply]

AMA Information

Case Status: closed

Just took. Advocate Status:

Assigned: --Daniel()Folsom ^T|_C|^U 07:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]