User talk:Zarife

Miss Lynda Temple will also be showing her support for the Cherif Article

Zarife

Additional permission required for article inclusion

Hi Zarife, thank you for your contribution and your permission to included. However, permission to include the article in Wikipedia is not enough to meet our policies on copyright violations; the text must be released under a GFDL or GFDL-compatible license, and that release must be sent to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org. You can read all about the permissions required at the following policy page: Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. I will also be e-mailing this information to the two e-mail addresses provided on the talk page to ensure that you receive this message. Thanks, —bbatsell ¿? 21:13, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not going to release all text on the site as GFDL, then you'll need to specify exactly which pages are or are not. If you do this publicly on the website then my understanding is you will not have to forward permission for each page. Also, as I said in my e-mail to you, just because text is released under the GFDL does not mean it will automatically be included in Wikipedia; it still has to meet our guidelines, particularly Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Verifiability. If it does not meet these guidelines, then it can be deleted via the articles for deletion process. Let me know if you have any further questions. —bbatsell ¿? 22:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank your help. Could I just ask ( not wising to sound thick ) when you say " specify which page(s) are/not allowed to be used, do you mean in the article or that Arabian Lines would be expected to place a comment on the article on the arabianlines site?

The content should meet all guidelines as the Cherif caters for the whole of the UK Anglo Arab and Part Bred Arab owners. It is the H.O.Y.S of the AA/PBA world. But obviously we have to protect our own website with strict copyrighted terms and conditions. Would it be better if we delete the page and request the Cherif to replace it with their own ???

Thanks again for your time. Zarife

Zarife 22:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If you're not willing or able to release the text under the GFDL, which is a copyleft license, then we cannot use it on Wikipedia. I will delete the page if you are not able to make this release; you (or anyone else) are free to write a new article on the subject, but without using copyrighted text, as long as it is properly sourced. —bbatsell ¿? 22:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will contact the Cherif Administration with a copy of your comments, and see if they are prepared to provide an alternate text for the Cherif main article. If this is not possible I will totally change the article and replace the link to Arabian Lines with suitable reference to source notes and relavant credit to the site etc. Hopefully this will then be a suitable compromise for both Wikipedia and our site. Would you agree this sounds more feasable? Would it be possible to withold deletion until we have a reply from the Cherif?

Again, we do appreciate your time and help

Zarife 23:57, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion is appropriate because otherwise the copyrighted, unusable text will remain in the article's history from the beginning. Deletion does NOT impact the future of the article, it's just a way of getting rid of copyrighted material. So basically, I'll delete the article, and you should feel free to recreate the article as a stub and expand it as you go. Does this sound okay? —bbatsell ¿? 00:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is an excellent Idea, as I understand it a stub can become a full blown article at anytime. As the Cherif will no doubt lead onto a larger topic of Anglos and Part breds ( of which there nothing about Part breds on W ) then as soon as there is sufficient info collated perhaps we could ask you to upgrade to the article status?

Zarife 00:16, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, a stub grows and expands naturally into a full-fledged article over time. Once the article has expanded past being a stub, I or another editor can remove the stub notice without a problem. I went ahead and deleted the current text, so feel free to go ahead and create a basic stub; be sure to assert the article's notability so it is not vulnerable to deletion (in other words, explain and cite how large the organization is in its area). —bbatsell ¿? 00:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I will do my best to get it right this time, and really do appreciate your help and the time you have taken over this. Shame we dont have more people like yourself on our own site. We get over 60,000 visitors a week, and have a forum that keeps us awake till the wee small hours so, when as in this case the shoe is on the other foot ( and it is I who is asking all the questions ) its great to know there are people out there that can and will help.

I think you deserve a gold star ! Zarife 00:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm glad I've been helpful. Please let me know if you have any future questions or need any more help. —bbatsell ¿? 01:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]