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Improve yourself

Then why its always 'Live in Concert'..? As u said the concerts are always live. I don't hv any issue with ur edits. If something is wrong or inappropriate u r independent to make right. But u should also add contents to the page. Every time u point out others mistake ;Oh not mistake, its ur own decision to award something as mistake however it may not be. But u never help anyone in adding content. It takes a lot of effort in creating & maintaining a page so help them instead of doing these rubbish & see how satisfy u would be. Do constructive work not destructive. It takes fraction of second to destroy but many hours or years to create.

2ndly u removed Shreya Ghoshal Day etc from bold font. What is the logic behind this? In past it was like this : 'Shreya Ghoshal Day' & someone edited it bold font. Now, I want to ask that who is right? Whether u or that person? Whether anyone of u hv any certificate of being always right? Do u know the purpose of bold font? So be in ur limits. Do editing where it is required. Instead of doing these worthless edits like changing font, title etc which has no significance try to add something useful so that everyone can gain some knowledge & know ur writing power. Don't try to improve my english by changing Concerts ---> concerts. I hv scored 97% marks in CBSE - AISSCE in english subject & I know one of the way writing titles is - every word starting first letter capital except (verbs, conjunctions etc). Vikranthakur (talk) 03:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Dear, @Vikranthakur: first improve you tone. I am not correcting your English, I am correcting Wikipedia article. I am very thankful to you for creating that article. Even if you have passed with 100% marks in English that doesn't mean you are not wrong when writing Wikipedia articles. For you kind information, I have done lots of work in Shreya Ghoshal's article and Shreya Ghoshal filmography.

Dear please don't take my edits personal as I am trying to improve Shreya Ghoshal' s and related articles.Zafar24Talk 10:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

We all know that July 24, 2015 was declared as Shreya Ghoshal Day of Entertainment & Inspiration. We hv Proclamation but not exact reference. As u said u r trying to improve Shreya Ghoshal' s and related articles & u r on Wiki because of SG then why don't u find proper source & cite it ? If u r unable to find it then let it b. I know ref is required but as an admirer of her, I always want whenever someone try to know her, he/she would know the best about her. That's why.

Okay dear, @Vikranthakur: that's why I added the template {{citation needed}}. Wikipedia:Citation needed.Zafar24Talk 12:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Reference added. U can check now.

About talk page

I want to know that can a user is allowed to remove section/conversation from his/her talk page.Zafar24Talk 09:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Zafar24. You can find detailed guidelines on what you should and should not do on your talk page here: Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. You'll see it's OK to delete offensive, libellous or non-free content. I see you already have an archive set up, which is good practice, so old comments will eventually be moved there. Remember, that even if you delete a discussion from your page, it can still be found in its edit history. (See WP:ARCHIVENOTDELETE) Don't be worried that you might have received one or two critical feedback posts - if other editors see that in the past and now see you editing very well, your standing as a competent editor goes up. You're improving! If you are seen to be hiding those comments, others might be inclined to be suspicious of your motives, and delve deeper. That's my view - but do read the guidelines, and WP:PING|ping me]] if you need any more help on this. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Plagiarism

Re: your comments here, part of the problem is that you are using the same drooling language that the trades use because you copied the content from here. You cannot do this! Do not copy, do not copy, do not copy. Say this a hundred times in your head. What you did is called plagiarism, which is not tolerated anywhere in academia. It is also a violation of copyright law. If you don't speak English well, then you're not going to be able to distinguish between proper encyclopedic tone and improper tone. The solution is not to copy. Copying is intellectually dishonest and lazy, and it will absolutely get you blocked at Wikipdia. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:02, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Ok dear @Cyphoidbomb: I understood.Zafar24Talk 23:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of songs covered by Indian singers

The article List of songs covered by Indian singers has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Indiscriminate list no doubt highlighting the creator's favorite singers

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 14:27, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Nomination of List of songs covered by Indian singers for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of songs covered by Indian singers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs covered by Indian singers until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Conforming websites to use for reference

I want to know that these websites are reliable to include in biography of a living person. Here is URL1: https://mdaily.bhaskar.com and URL2: http://www.radioandmusic.com Zafar24Talk 20:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

No. In their "Terms and Conditions", section "Disclaimer of Warranty and Limitation of Liability", they specifically say they make no guarantees about the accuracy of the content on their site. Primefac (talk) 20:45, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Primefac: Thanks dear.Zafar24Talk 17:39, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Enpass

Hello!

I am looking at revision 824610849, which is your contribution. I should say, if that's your idea of a joke, I must say it is funny. But jokes do have a time and a place. In revision 824610849, it is called vandalism. So, kindly don't do that again.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:25, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: It is not a joke. I am using Enpass and it is cost 9.99 U. S. Dollar for more than 20 passwords/entries! Zafar24Talk 12:31, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

And that's exactly what the word "freemium" means.

And let's not forget that the target page "premium" is a dab page. So, it did look like a joke to me.

I am not saying everyone in Wikipedia must be excellent writers but I am saying a minimum of writing skills and knowledge of the subject matter is required. Compare it with the knowledge of medicine. It is totally optional for everyone, but mandatory for those who want to become a doctor.

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 12:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: So fixed the like and stop judging people! I hate the fact that in Wikipedia, people judge you blindly and what about you removed see also section blindly? Zafar24Talk 12:41, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I didn't judge. The act itself is a waste of time and the outcome is making enemies. I don't want either.

But I am judging right now.

Also, the "See also" link is redundant to the navbox at the bottom.

—Codename Lisa (talk) 13:00, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: No. This is not a waste of time because I am giving correcting info and you removed my work in the basis of small issue of wikilink. Instead you are wasting my time! Zafar24Talk 13:06, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

@Codename Lisa: Your this example is very stupid: "Compare it with the knowledge of medicine. It is totally optional for everyone, but mandatory for those who want to become a doctor." Please read the WIKIPEDIA DISCLAIMER here: WIKIPEDIA MAKES NO GUARANTEE OF VALIDITY . Reference: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:General_disclaimer

Please again, don't blame any editor by saying he/she is doing Vandalism! By small issue of WIKI LINK. Zafar24Talk 17:33, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Zafar24, I think you're overreacting. You made a mistake, it was pointed out to you, maybe you learned from the experience, now let's move on. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Okay dear, I am over-reacting not because the editor point my mistake but I am over-reaction because the editor said that "I am doing vandalism". How I done vandalim? I wrote the correct info but wiki link was not correct. I still believe that user Codename Lisa should have corrected that wiki link instead of creating controversy here. Thanks.Zafar24Talk 18:08, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: And Codename Lisa was going personal by removing See also section in Enpass, What about that?Zafar24Talk 18:11, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

What does her removal of the See also section have to do with this issue? Anyway, she explained why she did it. One of the links seemed to duplicate content found in the navbox. See also sections shouldn't contain links that appear elsewhere in the article, so I'm unclear why the Category:Password managers was included there, especially since we don't typically include category links in See also sections. Anyway, that's for you and Lisa to figure out. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 03:37, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: You asked: "What does her removal of the See also section have to do with this issue?" The answer is @Codename Lisa: is doing vandalism by removing See also section and Codename Lisa was blamed me for doing vandalism. Every article has see also section and I have removed category from see also section and there is no duplicate content found in the navbox like this one Comparison of password managers.Zafar24Talk 07:59, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb:Please see: Dashlane, 1Password, KeePass etc all have 'see also' section. Please don't mind, I call this @Codename Lisa: a childish behavior and vandalism by removing see also section and even all Wikipedia articles have see also section.Zafar24Talk 08:35, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

No article is required to have a See also section, and removal of one is not necessarily vandalism. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 23:54, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Okay. I already explained above why see also section must have. And my other reason: Wikipedia is not for promotion of product (Enpass) so removing see also section means that who ever are removing see also section hiding the details because what about readers wants to know the comparsion and password manager lists? So in see also section I wrote Comparison of password managers and info box is just showing password manager link.Zafar24Talk 19:33, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Shreya Ghoshal

Here we are again. I don't see anything of encyclopedic value to what you are rigid to include. The quote is only about how she feels nervous before stage and recording studios are her comfort zone. Please refrain from adding such quotes, as it only bloats the article and stretches the length. Yashthepunisher (talk) 14:11, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Yashthepunisher: I know that we are not allowed to add lots of quote but according to the Wikipedia:Quotation policy, we can add important quote. That quote is about her concerts thats why I added that quote.Zafar24Talk 18:19, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

And re: this the content you chose to include doesn't make grammatical sense, and we're not here to drool over Ghoshal. Wikipedia is a neutral encyclopedia. Where is the conflicting opinion? Or are we trying to assert through your careful selection of praise that everybody felt the same way? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 01:40, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I didn't wrote that the song received positive or negative reviews. I just wrote comment from The Times of India.Zafar24Talk 13:12, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Firstly, you misquoted the poorly-worded source, which says "both the Shreya(s) have nailed this one by giving the right emotions." It does not say "Ghoshal have nailed this". And just because a source says something gushy doesn't mean we need to regurgitate it. A little editorial discretion is required to maintain a neutral encyclopedia. WP:V says that "verifiability doesn't guarantee inclusion". Broadly speaking I worry that some of your efforts in articles like Shreya Ghoshal might be overly-focused on positive response, rather than providing an objective, balanced look at her career, which would naturally involve criticism. I could be wrong, though. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: But that article is about Shreya Ghoshal thats why we should not write about co-signers. The Times of India said about both Shreya(s) so this means that Shreya Ghoshal is included in the review. Common sense.Zafar24Talk 18:03, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Are you kidding? "Common sense"? Should I believe that you don't understand the basic rules of quotations? Do you want to give the language another try in the hopes that you can find the right way to phrase that quote? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 07:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Okay. By saying above thing, I just wanted to say that I didn't wrote wrong info. I mean, the way I wrote that review was wrong.Zafar24Talk 17:27, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: So what about this version: "Instead of going for an emotional ‘amma’ song, this quite pleasant, which delves into the happy relationship between the daughter and mother. And needless to say... [Ghoshal] have [sung] this [song] by giving the right emotions".Zafar24Talk 13:24, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

If you need to alter a source that dramatically, it's probably not worth including. There are still grammar issues with it, (which is not your fault) and it still tends to suggest that Ghosha was the only person involved in the song. You'd be better off saying broadly that Times of India praised Ghoshal's performance. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:42, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

'Dear'

Do not call people 'dear' unless you are married to them. Thank you ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:45, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: With due respect, I call everyone dear. See my edit history. I am not here for flirt! Zafar24Talk 17:49, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

I am just saying that it can be taken as demeaning and belittling. That's just my advice. Cheers. --‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:50, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador: Okay.Zafar24Talk 17:53, 7 February 2018 (UTC)

Please don't call people "dear". It can make some users uncomfortable, and is often seen as belittling. -- Thanks, Alfie. ^{talk to me | contribs} 18:16, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@Alfie: Okay thanks.Zafar24Talk 19:55, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

@El cid, el campeador and Alfie: Though your advice is sound, a little context: this is fairly common in Indian culture. Off-putting, perhaps, to those of us who are not expecting it, but it's typically intended as friendly and innocent. If an Arabic speaker calls you habibi, it means they consider you a friend even if it technically means "my love". Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

Pinging @Alfie: and @El cid, el campeador: Thanks @Cyphoidbomb: I respect All editors in Wikipedia and I just wants friendly and good conversations with all editors here thats why I am using the word 'dear'. But its up to them, if they don't like it, then I will not use this word 'dear' but they should not have said to me that I will not use dear with others. Why they are talking behalf of other editors?Zafar24Talk 17:54, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

• I was just telling you how the word is looked at from where I come from. I am not going to argue about use of 'dear' in other English speaking countries, but trust me that it is looked down upon unless you are dating someone. I am not offended, and I am glad that I understand now that you use the word in good faith - I did not realize it had such usage in India. Cheers to everyone, good day. ‡ Єl Cid of ᐺalencia ^ᐐT₳LKᐬ 17:58, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

@Alfie:, @El cid, el campeador: and @Cyphoidbomb: I am thankful to you all because you taught me that the word 'dear' has also negative meaning in some way. So I updated my user page and talk page. So now on, people will not misunderstand me.Zafar24Talk 23:56, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

Conforming website to use for reference

Dear Wikipedian, please tell me this website: http://www.deccanherald.com is reliable for reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zafar24 (talk • contribs) 00:00, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

This is a matter for WP:RSN, they have experts on such questions. It's best to provide them with some sort of context, such as which article you are working on, and what you are thinking of using from that website. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 00:21, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

@Redrose64: Thanks dear.Zafar24Talk 00:38, 2 March 2018 (UTC)