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Happy editing! Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 07:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addition of Gwoyeu Romatzyh

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! I've noticed you've been adding transliterations to {{Infobox Chinese}} templates on China-related articles. I should note that such infoboxes are meant to aid the largest part of the audience as quickly as possible: as such, generally only transliterations that are directly relevant to the article's topic should be present. Since Gwoyeu Romatzyh is a historical system no longer in wide use, it should not be added to every article. If you have more questions, let me know. Cheers! Remsense诉 03:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lists versus line breaks

Hello again! It's pretty common to see <br /> being used to separate list entries on Wikipedia, but it's a practice we've been trying to undo for a while—basically, line breaks don't actually create a list

like
this

so for users using screen readers the information is not presented to them well. Instead, use a template like {{unbulleted list}} when entries should be in a list but shouldn't be bulleted. See MOS:PLAINLIST for more info. Cheers! Remsense诉 07:50, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

also—a lot of experienced editors get worked up over this, I'm not trying to do that—but I would recommend you try out the source editor at some point? The <nowiki>...</nowiki> tags are a bug in the visual editor, and the source editor honestly isn't that difficult once you get used to it! Your choice though, of course. Remsense诉 07:51, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and thanks for telling me! Next time, I'll be more careful using <br />, and thanks for linking the {{unbulleted list}} template, I mean it.

Also, I'll definitely try the source editor someday. :D yUnGeDiTz (talk) 08:12, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

unblock

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Request reason:

I have not done anything wrong, as the last time that I have touched anything proxy/VPN-related was long before the block was initiated. I am unfortunately unable provide any more details because this is all I know. sinoeditz Yungeditz (talk) 04:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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You are not affected by a block, as you have edited subsequent to making this request. 331dot (talk) 07:53, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Large style changes

Hey again—while much of your infobox work has been good, I am worried that some of the decisions you are making really need to be discussed by the community first, as it generally goes on Wikipedia:

The "Jyutping always lowercase" thing is rather irksome, given it's not a part of the standard, and it looks really out of place in context.
Why are you adding both hiragana and katakana to every article? They aren't used ubiquitously like that, or at all for many Japanese terms. Really, many of the terms you are adding are not going to be helpful to the vast majority of people reading the article. Which can be fine, but it also shouldn't be your policy.

In short, this unilateral, rather visible style change can border on disruptive when you apply it to a lot of articles that I'm going to have to go and undo pending the Manual of Style discussion. Please be a bit more careful, and ask if you're going to make a change to every article—to be frank, a lot of Template:Infobox Chineses are fine the way they are, and they have the specific entries they do for a reason. If they were all meant to have all the entries, we would have a bot import them all en masse from wiktionary. I appreciate the enthusiasm, though. Cheers. Remsense诉 09:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for telling me this, as since I am an editor, I should be aware of how my actions affect Wikipedia. I truly appreciate it.

I apologize for the issues with the "Jyutping always lowercase" thing. I will strive to focus on adding information to articles related to the matter and to improve accessibility for readers, and I will try not to disrupt the style of Wikipedia articles.

I add both Hiragana and Katakana transcriptions to Template:Infobox Chineses so that readers who are learning Japanese and interested in China-related subjects that can only read either Hiragana or Katakana can learn the Japanese vocabulary with ease while reading China-related Wikipedia articles. I know that this is somewhat oddly specific, but I have had some of the difficulties mentioned, and I do not wish for these difficulties to interfere with the accessibility of knowledge for the Wikipedia reader.

Additionally, I add transcriptions often to Template:Infobox Chinese because I have noticed that they are often either inaccurate or somewhat inaccessible for certain groups of readers of Wikipedia. For example, most Template:Infobox Chineses are missing Bopomofo transcriptions, which may be more familiar and helpful to Taiwanese readers, particularly those who have forgotten or do not know the readings and definitions of certain terms written in Chinese characters. Therefore, I have took it upon myself to fix this issue.

If you have any other concerns, feel free to ask! :) sinoeditz Yungeditz (talk) 09:58, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Totally understandable! One important thing about Wikipedia that I had to grapple with too when I started editing is that it's an encyclopedia, not a how-to guide. Especially with language, I really felt an urge to help people learning Chinese by adding notes about usage and so on, but it's simply outside the scope of an English-language encyclopedia. The line is a bit fuzzy, to be clear—in general, as much as I love these languages, the best rule of thumb in general is to have as little non-English text on screen as possible without losing any vital information for a general audience—because the vast majority of those reading cannot read or use it, and as such it can often make things harder to read. It's not the end of the world in any case, just some stuff to think about. Thank you very much as always, it's nice to have a new person working in this area of the site. Cheers! Remsense诉 10:12, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No problem! I really appreciate the fact that you've also expressed your gratitude for what I've done for Wikipedia! In your position, it's very important to see both the good and the bad in the changes that are done to Wikipedia. It's kind of like yin and yang!

Also, what you've said was really helpful for me to learn my responsibilities as an editor. I really appreciate it. I feel like I've said "I really appreciate" a bit too much, but I really do.

Once again, I'll try my best to focus on accessibility along with accuracy and to apply what I've learned as an editor from this to all of my future edits. :) sinoeditz Yungeditz (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I beg you: please always keep in mind that space on an encyclopedia is precious. Moreover, the most precious space of all is the lead sentence. It is frequently seen, especially on China-related articles, that lead sentences are stuffed to the gills with extra terms so that they take up an entire line of text. This looks and feels awful to the reader. Please, please do not add to this, reduce it if you can. Lead sentences should have three short parenthetical terms at most, maybe even one if it's too long, or it should be be totally relegated to a footnote or {{Infobox Chinese}}. See MOS:LEADSENTENCE, MOS:ZH, and MOS:NICKCRUFT. Remsense诉 02:47, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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