User talk:Yumix2

Artistry

I think it would be better not to have the photos of Michael Jackson and Usher, and instead put a photo of Jay performing or something as there isn't much space elsewhere in the article. And there are now quite a few photos on commons now that can be used. Maybe even a snippet from a couple of his songs like Beyoncé Knowles#Music and voice.

Also, is the "Comparisons with other artists" needed as a separate section? Or does it even need to be mentioned?

Just unknown (talk) 20:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Usher and Michael Jackson influenced Jay a lot, so I think it's good to put their pictures in the "Influences" sub-section. If you want to put a picture of Jay performing, put it below, like in the "Musical style" sub-section, it would be good too. For the snippets, you can put them too, but I don't know how to put snippets on Wikipedia, so I'll let you do it. If you can do it, it would be awesome and very helpful for the article, to let people hear his music. If you can, I would advise to put snippets of "Abandoned" and "Know Your Name", since they are his lead singles from his 2 albums. I think it's good to put the Taeyang comparison, but it's also true that it is quite short for now. Since Jay is often compared to him in the kpop industry, I thought it would be good to put some information there. I tried to write it reading Eminem's article, where there is a "Comparisons with other artists" sub-section. Yumix2 (talk) 21:09, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 2012

~~Please stop adding unsourced content, as you did to Super Junior. This contravenes Wikipedia's policy on verifiability. If you continue to do so, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia.~~ Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 20:18, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then we should add references about the members' positions in the group, since there's no sources for any of them AT ALL on that part of the article. I just corrected the article since it gives the wrong positions for the Super Junior-M members. I added Zhou Mi as a main vocalist because he has the most lines in the songs alongside Kyuhyun and Ryeowook. Moreover, the 3 of them sang the song "Words of the west wind" in the repackaged album of their 2nd EP "Perfection". The 3 of them also sang songs together as a trio in previous fanmeetings. Usually, the three of them sing the high-pitched parts of the group's songs. Finally, Zhou Mi's position in Super Junior-M is the same as Yesung's in the main group : Yesung replaced some parts of Zhou Mi in the remix version of "Super Girl" (originally by Super Junior-M), and also sang the parts of Zhou Mi in "Words of the west wind" in the Super Junior-KRY fanmeetings and concerts. Same for Zhou Mi who replaced Yesung's parts in the remaked songs of the main group. Finally, I don't know if it can be considered as a plea, but what's the mean of putting two "main" vocalists who don't speak Chinese fluently ? Zhou Mi was probably added in the group as a main vocalist for that (That same goes for EXO-M, where there's at least one Chinese "main" vocalist, being Lu Han).

As for Henry, he is one of the main dancers of the group with Donghae and Eunhyuk, with the latter replacing Hangeng's position since his departure (see his position in the choreos, mostly "Super Girl" where he is often at the center). He is also one of the main rappers : he had the most rap parts in the first album and the first EP. Eunhyuk has been given some rap parts in the group's songs since his arrival. Yumix2 (talk) 20:58, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your reply. Based on your explanation I removed my warning because I accept your arguments. Your points may be correct, or perhaps not entirely correct but in any case your analysis must be supported by reliable sources otherwise it is original research, WP:OR. If you can find a reliable source then the positions can be added to the article. In the meantime I removed all the unsourced positions. Δρ.Κ. ^{λόγοςπράξις} 22:37, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ned Sherman

I don't understand why he deserves to be mentioned in the lead. Is it a major point in the summary of Park's career? I don't think so. Check Wikipedia:LEAD if you haven't already.

The release of albums and singles, awards he won, and major concerts/tours he participated in, are all that should really be included in the lead. Perhaps at one point in time, Ned Sherman may have been important to Park's career (and would have deserved to be in the lead), but right now it is of little importance. Just unknown (talk) 13:03, 2 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

He IS of great importance : he was the one restarted Park's activities. First, his advertisement deal with the brand Denizen, then his movie deal for Hype Nation. And finally, his contract with SidusHQ. Moreover, he served as a manager when Park was in the States for the ISA concert in 2010. And his wife, Tinzar Sherman, was responsible for organizing the fan meets tour in 2010 around Asia. See : http://dmwadvisors.com/2011/07/global-talent-management/, http://www.dmwlawadvisors.com/ . So, without Ned Sherman, he wouldn't have been able to be successful. We can consider him like L.A. Reid.

Moreoever, the Wikipedia:LEAD says to BRIEFLY summarize the most important points. The lead is a bit too long. Facts like Immortal Song 2 aren't that important.

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Joah and Know Your Name

Hi, I think it'd be good to make pages for Joah and KYN, do you think you could help out with sources and stuff. I'm not too good at describing the music and instrument styles etc. Just unknown (talk) 21:17, 11 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. Yes I can, but not for now, I don't have much time with school, I have exams coming up real soon. You can create the pages for Joah and KYN as stubs for the moment, I'll try to complete them from time to time when I won't be too busy. And also, just for information, try not to complete Jay's page with too much stuff, you just have to complete it with music or TV-related stuff. Stuff he posts on Instagram, Facebook or Twitter are not considered "real" sources for Wikipedia. It's really pleasant to see you update Jay's page very often, but they are some information that don't need to be written in his page.

Exo (band)

The member information you re-added isn't just unverified, it's also irrelevant. No one needs a ton of different spelling for these members, and there is no justification for including birth dates. Conventional lists of members throughout Wikipedia include a name and an instrument, and that's good enough in K-pop articles as well. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 18:13, 22 June 2013 (UTC)7[reply]

Well, I just added information found on other K-pop articles in Wikipedia, see the article about South Korean group Big Bang for example, labelled as a "Good article". It's true that adding spelling for their names is irrelevant for most people, however I think including birth dates is quite relevant, just to see how old the members of the group are, since they don't have individual pages yet. And the birth dates are verified, they come from their official website, I forgot to add the reference. Yumix2 (talk) 20:39, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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