User talk:Yonatan/Archive/Archive-Jun2007

You're an Admin!

It is my pleasure to inform you that you are now an admin. Congratulations. You can feel free to do everything you're supposed to do and nothing you're not supposed to do. If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Best wishes and good luck, -- Cecropia 20:47, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Congrats- well deserved. WjBscribe 21:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Congrats, Yonatan! ++Lar: t/c 09:42, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Horay!

Congratulation's! You've earned the trust of the Wikipedia community, good work; and, for the future, good luck. Cheers, Dfrg.msc 09:49, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks guys, I hope I can help out. ;) Yonatan ^talk 14:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Just saw you in WP:AIV. Congratulations Yonatan! —Anas ^talk? 00:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:

Remember you will always protect the wrong version. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5) Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua?!?

DISCLAIMER: This humor does not reflect the official humor of Wikipedia, the Wikimedia Foundation, or Jimbo Wales. All rights released under GFDL.

Sorry...

I tend to be a tad jumpy at times, but considering he did three in a row, I felt it was needed. --Whsitchy 22:38, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, that, and I'm getting used to vandal proof at the moment. --Whsitchy 22:44, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for the link Yonatan. The editor that I had left the message about did have one warning on their page but had continued vandalizing after it had been left so I thought that they might need another one. As a wikignome I have always been unclear as to whether I have the right to leave warnings on talk pages. But if I can then the link you left me will be most helpful so thanks again. MarnetteD | Talk 23:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Re:monobook.js

See my talk page, I uploaded to the pastebin. --Yamamoto Ichiro (山本一郎)(会話) 01:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Assumed GFDL

Would you mind explaining why you can make such an assumption? Yonatan ^talk 23:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Because the user is a newbie who doesn't understand the tagging process. I quote:

    * This image was created by a photgrapher working for Irlam Rangers.
    * There is no copyright on this image.
    * This image come from a tournament on Princess Park, Irlam, Salford, Greater Manchester.

By removing the "no copyright" template, and the statement above, the uploader is indicating that the image is freely available.

— superbfc [ talk | cont ] — 06:50, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Occurrence maps

Just curious -- why were all those element-occurrence maps deleted?? Karl Hahn (T) (C) 01:53, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

According to [1]: "Most of the maps scanned by the University of Texas Libraries and served from this web site are in the public domain.", and according to [2], world_pol02.jpg was created by the U.S. government. - Looks kosher to me. (still though, these images need to be properly sourced and tagged to use them). Femto 12:16, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

The user is claiming the works are his; they are not so that is why I and others are deleting them. User:Zscout370 ^{(Return Fire)} 21:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

One of your unblocks...

Is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Limin8tor. —dgies^t_c 05:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

2003 Invasion of Iraq

Hi. You just reverted an edit I made to the 2003 Invasion off Iraq legality section. The edit I made deleted unsourced and unintegrated content that another editor had put up. The integration issue is particularly frustrating to me, as they quite clearly just inserted their edit with no effort to try to integrate it with the existing text. I also took the time to read the content and try to find their sources, which had no URL or other information where it could be found. I also explained my deletion of the talk page. If I have made a mistake in deleting the material I apologize, but I sincerely thought that it was appropriate from the POV of improving the article. When you have a moment, I would appreciate your explaining why my edit was reverted. Thanks! --Mackabean 07:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Hello again. I just wanted to add that I reread the edit I deleted, and some other material on Wikipedia, and it turns out that the newly inserted information is not only unsourced, but pretty much totally inaccurate. It says, for example, "No ICC member-nation brought the legitimacy of this invasion to the attention of the ICC Prosecutor," when in fact 240 such claims have been brought to the ICC prosecutor. Further, it implies that the ICC prosecutor rejected claims that the invasion might have been illegal, when actually he said that "I do not have the mandate to address the arguments on the legality of the use of force or the crime of aggression." In other words, he didn't say the war was legal, but rather that the question was outside his jurisdiction, particularly because the U.S. has not signed the ICC treaty. I will assume good faith on the part of the other editor, and thus conclude that he simply misunderstood the statement by the ICC prosecutor. But I am still confused as to why his unsourced, unitegrated, and incorrect information was kept in the article. Again, thanks for your attention to this. --Mackabean 07:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

No worries :). If it is OK with you, I am going to delete most of his content and try to integrate some of it into the existing text. --Mackabean 07:44, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Yonatan. I'd like to thank you for your support of my RfA. It was closed at surprising 75/0/0, so I'm an admin now. MaxSem 22:17, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		In recognition of your looking out for the little guy, specifically me. Limin8tor 06:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The After Effect

I deleted it, as it was copyvio anyway. MaxSem 16:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

New bubble map

Hi I have uploaded new bubble maps for Iodine and Bismuth. Is that ok? Anwar 14:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Harley-Davidson engine timeline

It uses too much space. It is better have it on a seperate article. Miaers 01:14, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Coolidge

Well, I saw that someone vandalized the Calvin Coolidge and reverted the edit so i decided to prevent further vandalism by protecting it. 75.162.20.115 01:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

WP:AIV

Why did you remove the tag I placed on User:74.96.169.29? Corvus cornix 02:11, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. He already had a bv tag, and has vandalized after that. Corvus cornix 02:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I am tired of reverting the vandalism to 2007. You want to take it on? Corvus cornix 02:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, I just noticed that you unblocked an ip address just recently, then after he was unblocked he did this to you talk page [3]. Check it out. AdamJWC 03:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Image message

You posted a message about Image:Fp82435a.jpg. This photo is from Florida Photographic Collection, and is

(as is all of the collection). I hope that satisfies your concern(s). Vaoverland 12:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Perryman's trial

With the copyvio text gone, would this article arguably fail to assert any notability at all (A1/7), and could thus be speedied? hbdragon88 03:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Many thanks. *dives back into uncategorized backlog* hbdragon88 04:13, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Florida Photographic Collection

I am frustrated with what has happened with the Florida Photographic Images. Please deal with the implications of your deletion of the former template {{flphoto}}. The template was used as a license justification on images from the collection. We determined that the licensing is too dubious to allow use of the images on Wikipedia: Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_May_6#Template:Flphoto. There are between 100 and 250 images need to be dealt with before the template is deleted, else everyone who uploaded will continue receiving image copyright problem messages. Someone commented in the TFD "If the result of this discussion is delete, we will only delete the tag after the images have been dealt with; that's how TFD works." That has NOT happened twice! Let's solve this problem now.

You are the second admin I have contacted to try to deal with this problem, and the other admin was apparently too busy to deal with the problem despite my numerous messages. Further details[4]. I am well aware of the template's deletion, as I !voted delete in its TFD. I uploaded approximately 50 images, and I have requested to not be notified of their deletion.

Please give me direction to deal with this problem. I am will to help, but I need just a few directions on how to proceed.

1. Has someone been assigned to review the images?
2. What criteria (besides determining if the image was taken before 1923 and thus in public domain) should be used to decide if the images should be kept?
3. Might the images be considered to be under fair use?

Thank you. Royalbroil 18:34, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I have calmed down a bit since then, but I'm still a bit edgy. In the TFD discussion we determined that the Florida Photographic Collection can't have the copyright on the images since they didn't create them (potential copyfraud). At the time of my last post to you I was wondering if there was a potential fair use criteria, but I don't think that will work. Maybe a few are of significant noteworthy events could use fair use. I do think it would be easy to find most of these pictures on their website (all you need is the unique photo ID which most have), but I don't think that is relevant any more. I have been talking with User:Purgatorio, who has agreed to help with this problem. My main frustration is/was that the template should not have been deleted by the first admin without addressing the images' copyright. I thought that the implications of deletion were dealt with right away. I'm gonna mark all my images taken after or during 1923 for speedy delete. Thanks for discussing the problem with me. Royalbroil 15:09, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Iamge use rights? [5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:NOBM88.jpg

Hello. I was wondering why I need to include any information for album covers, when other album cover images include even less information about where they came from, not linking to a site or anything, simply linking to the corresponding article.

Examples

[6] [7] [8]

MAybe they should all be deleted too...

--Tom of north wales 21:11, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Clarification

Hello,

I've encountered a user who has created several categories for images as analogues to categories on the Commons based on the idea that then linking those categories to the Commons makes locating images easier, even though there is far less image content on WP and so the result is many categories for a few images; they have even begun categorising Commons media that are not even used on WP (1,2,3,4) so as to populate the hierarchy of categories created (1,2). My understanding was that we were actively in the process of moving all free images to the Commons, and so it followed that if not reducing image infrastructure on WP, we shouldn't be increasing it. After an inquiry to an admin working on image categorisation that recommended that I transwiki to the Commons any images that were on WP, and which led to deletion of one of the images, this user promptly created a page for the Commons image and again categorised it on WP. According to that sort of convention, wouldn't we have every image from the Commons categorised by their WP pages on WP, thus pretty much negating the utility of separate projects? Please advise, Tewfik^Talk 03:05, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit question

I posted a notable alumni on the Waukesha South High School page and you removed it. Matt Morris is the founder of a cowbell enthusiast pep band that plays at high school baskeball games in Waukesha. It seems culturally relative to this school that he is listed as a notable alum.

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.36.132 (talk • contribs)

Waukesha

Re: Waukesha and the pep band. I am uncomfortable by your assumption of what you define as "notable" and by the mere statement that you can define what is notable for a particular institution or for its student culture. Obviously, a pep band notation is not inappropriate--by common application of decency standards--but it very well could be notable for people who have gone to and graduated from this particular high school. The core to telling a true democratic history, one of the people and for the people--a story that Wikipedia catalogues so wonderfully, is that people should be able capture what is "notable" for them in a particular setting. So please cast a wider net. Please do not reserve notable for only people who may be wider known--as a historian I feel that there are many individuals who I consider notable but would be saddened to find that not many others would have ever heard of them. For instance, being both Jewish and a historian, I feel that the story of the Dreyfus affair is very important. Yet it saddens me that many choose to edit if from course outlines on the basis that is not a commonly known story beyond my community. Please allow for the school and its community to decide what story it wants to report as I will venture that you do not know what is important in that particular school's story. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.144.36.132 (talk • contribs)

Thanks

Yonatanh,

Thank you for reverting the revision to the article on Left Handed(ness), subsection "possible effects on thought in humans." As that information comes from extensive research--some dating back to the work of Roger Sperry in the 1960s--I don't feel it's right to have an individual who:

1.) can type: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:128.227.131.101

2.) is anonymous

come in and discard paragraphs of material that have been peer reviewed for a year.

Thank you again for your vigilance,

Tom Hunter, aka Curmudgeon99, the author of the original section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curmudgeon99 (talk • contribs)

FYI

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Zeq-Zero0000/Evidence

Image:Stalin3.jpg

Uh, I'm not the original uploader of that, I only moved it to commons. It seems to me like it's obviously public domain, but it does need a source. I don't have a clue who made it, but it shouldnt be very hard to figure out, I don't think..

Tito author

The author of the photo is my great grandfather.

My Grandfather. Reinhardt Reisender.

hey

why did you delete my article?

Re. MA Link

Thanks for the tidy up, im not sure about the M.A, depends on the Uni you get it from. I think it may have been Oxford so it might be the link for the M.A(oxbridge) but it doesnt really matter!

Cheers

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Hebrew...

יונתן, אנא הסבר לי כיצד אני מסמן תמונה למחיקה מהירה אם העברתי אותה לוויקישיתוף בשם קובץ זהה. וגם: כיצד אני מסמן תמונה למחיקה מהירה אם העברתי אותה לוויקישיתוף בשם קובץ שונה (מסיבות שונות) והסרתי אותה מהערכים. תודה

Gridge 22:30, 9 June 2007 (UTC).

Thanks, man. I'll give it a try. Gridge 18:31, 11 June 2007 (UTC).

יונתן היקר

שלום רב

לפני מספר ימים העליתי טענה כנגד משתמש אחד, שהשתמש, לדעתי, בטיעונים אנטישמיים. בעקבות כך הותקפתי ע"י משתמש אחר באופן מהיר ואגרסיבי. בתחילה התדיינתי עם המשתמש שתקף אותי, שהוא פרופ' למתמטיקה ומשתמש מוכר, אולם תוך כדי כך נזכרתי שלפני כמה חודשים היה לי ויכוח עם המשתמש שהשתמש בטיעון אנטישמי (שמו הוא טלרמן-אני לא יכול לכתוב את זה באנגלית כי זה יהרוס את הסדר בכתיבה) וגם אז התערב אותו פרופ' למתמטיקה (טרובוטורי) במהירות גדולה מאוד ובסמיכות זמנים של ממש לטלרמן. מעבר לכך, ישנם עוד כמה רמזים קטנים שהדליקו אצלי נורה אדומה, אם כי מבחינה ראייתית זה כרגע נראה קלוש (ואכן ייתכן שזה לא יותר מסתם תחושה) ששני המשתמשים הם בעצם משתמש ובובתו. איך אני אוסף ראיות? שעשיתי מחקר השוואתי קצרצר בין דמויות שזוהו בעבר כבובת גרב לבין המפעיל המרכזי שלהם-מצאתי שמפעילים מרכזיים בונים לשמות המשתמש האחרים אליבי של ממש מבחינת נושאי כתיבה מגוונים ושונים ולעיתים אפילו מבחינת תאריכי כניסה-אם כי זאת מבדיקה שטחית. נדבר אמר לי שאתה מומחה בזה ושתוכל להנחות אותי בפתיחת חקירה באופן יעיל כדי שיצטברו מספיק ראיות להגשת בקשה לבדיקה. כל טוב --Gilisa 20:19, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

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ליונתן היקר

עניתי לווגלי בעמוד שלה-חבל לדוש באותו דבר פעמיים. אני חושב שזה שאדם נולד יהודי, זאת עובדה, ועובדות מקומן בוויקיפידה אלא אם אין להן שום תרומה לנושא (וללידתו כיהודי, מבחינה אתנית, של אדם מפורסם יש קשר סטטיסטי להיותו מצליח) או\ו אם אינן בסיסיות (ומוצא אתני, דת, מקום לידה, תאריך לידה וכ"ו-כל אלו בסיסיים באותה מידה לדעתי) . אני אחזור שנית, העובדה שיש אנטישמים לא אומרת שיש צורך להתחבא-לא מעט מהאנטישמים גם מתעבים שחורים וסינים ממעמקי ליבם האפל-האם סינים צריכים לעבור ניתוח להרמת עפעפיים ושחורים ללכת בדרכו של מיכאל ג'קסון? בדיוק, וגם יהדותם של אישים לא אמורה להיות מוסתרת ואין שום התגרות בעובדה שיהודים תרמו יותר-אם מישהו שחש שזוהי התגרות, הוא אנטישמי מלכתחילה. מעבר לכך, גם לגבי אנשים מתים נטען שיש לטשטש את יהדותם ויתרה מזאת-למשל בערך של ג'ון פון נוימן, בסעיף הדת מחקו פעם אחר פעם אזכור כלשהו ללידתו כיהודי עד שלבסוף הוסכם על ניסוח עקלקל שבו נכתב שהוא נולד כיהודי, חי כאגוניסט והמיר דתו לקתוליות (ובתמורה לכך מחקו את אזכור לידתו כיהודי מפרק החיים המוקדמים). בסופו של דבר, טענתי שמשתמש מסוים הוא אנטישמי כי הוא כתב: "כל המקורות שצוטטו את קנטור כיהודי היו או אנטישמיים או ציוניים נלהבים, את שניהם אסור לצוטט" זאת אמורה שקרית ונגועה, על תיתן להנחת הכוונה הטובה לבלבל אותך כאן. כל טוב גילי--Gilisa 20:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

יונתן, בהקשר אחר-

אביעד מחק לי את תמונת התצוגה מהאתר, לדעתי ללא שום צידוק מיוחד-חוץ מחוסר אמון (העניין הוא שאמרתי לו שאני לא זוכר אם החברה שהוציאה אותי לרפטינג או חבר צילם את תמונה והוא מחק אותה. עשיתי בירור, והתברר לי שהתמונה הורדה מהמצלמה שלי לאלבום התמונות שלה (אולימפוס) ואינה מופיעה בדיסק התמונות שהעניקה חברת הרפטינג הפרואנית (שבו מופיעות כל התמונות שצילמה החברה) שממילא לא ביקשה או רשמה שום זכויות על התמונות) זאת התמונה היחידה שאני רוצה להעלות לאתר-כי היא הכי טובה, ואיפה שהוא פה נעשה לי עוול-אשמח אם תוכל לתקן אותו או לפחות להסביר לי אם יש איזשהו צדק בדבריו-הוא לא הזהיר אותי על כך שהוא עומד למחוק את התמונה ומעבר לכך בעבר 2 משתמשים מוכרים ומנוסים ערכו את התמונה שלי (ואמרתי להם שחבר צילם אותה-גם את זה בדקתי) ולא הייתה שום בעיה-אני לא מבין למה יש בעיה עכשיו. --Gilisa 09:38, 13 June 2007 (UTC) אהלן יונתן, כתבתי תגובה לדבריך בעמוד שלי.--Gilisa 18:46, 14 June 2007 (UTC) תגובה חדשה בעמוד השיחה שלי :) --Gilisa 06:45, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Frente!

Hi, just letting you know that I've reverted your corrections to the article Frente! where you used AWB to correct a typo. The word is actually deliberately mis-spelled "Accidently" (instead of "Accidentally") in the name of the song and the single. I'll leave a comment in the wikicode (and in the article) so it doesn't happen again. --Canley 06:49, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Angelica Sin

If you look back in the history of the article, you'll see that the libelous information about Angelica, her husband, and all the others have repeated been added to the article by an anonymous IP, and have been repeated removed, usually as either unsourced or vandalism. Personally, I would block on sight for these additions if I could as the user in question has had the concept of sourcings explained to them many times and it's not sunk in at all. Tabercil 01:57, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Mind if I speak?

As a news junkie and a human being instead of some freak being put on display, I have very tough questions to ask you. Feel free to contact me.

(Aeverine Frathleen Nieves 12:58, 17 June 2007 (UTC))

Image:Drumthwacket.jpg

יונתן, מחקת את התמונה הזו מהשרת לאחר שהעברתי אותה לוויקישיתוף, אך כעת אני שם לב שההעברה לא הייתה כשרה מאחר שלא ציינתי את יוצר את התמונה אלא מקור בלבד, והמקור נמחק. צריך לסדר את דף הרישיון בוויקישיתוף, לטיפולך. Gridge 12:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC).