User talk:Yandman/Archive6

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Thesilence

Goldman Sachs: I'm tired of the editor who continues to add unreferenced material and refuses to back it up. I'm not opposed to adding material that might put the company in a bad light, but I am opposed to baseless accusations without good references. The whole article needs to be rewritten which I would do but I refuse to edit it while this dispute is ongoing. I'd like you to step in and support me in the dispute so we can resolve this in a way that makes everyone happy. I'd like to see editing on the article halted and a rewrite commenced that eliminates the timeline and the alumni list and instead creates an article of prose with a minimal list of the most famous alumni who have articles on Wikipedia. Please let me know your thoughts.Thesilence 03:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not very active on wkends, but we'll get started on monday. The list is far too long, the "criminals" section is ridiculous. Maybe a para on "controversies", and that's it. yandman 08:33, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've since created a new article in prose. I pretty much left the intro and Business sections alone, but rewrote the History section to prose and added a Criticism and Controversy section with the cited "Criminals" and what I think were the best references. I also paired down the alumni list considerably - anyone without a Wikipedia article was removed and those with stubs were removed also. I pretty much limited it to anyone you wouldn't recognize within a second of reading it. I checked out the links and the only one I'd have an issue with is the list of current Goldman Sachs holdings - it's a bit suspicious as the URL links to AAPL which is Apple Inc.'s stock symbol and the page says Goldman Sachs Electronic Holdings, which means limited to IT companies I think. Anyways, their holdings are vast and I doubt that's even close to being accurate. Let me know what you think!Thesilence 18:00, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent work! I've merged the two. I'm not too sure about putting the bittorrent guy, though. Bit of a bias towards internety people, so I've removed him. We don't really need the holdings link, I think. yandman 09:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. I've added comments about our merge in the Goldman talk page so that others can give feedback as they wish.Thesilence 14:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Fut.Perf.

Hi, just saw your contributions on the recent RfAs, and it occurred to me... you are not yourself currently an admin, are you? Ever thought of becoming one? Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:11, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well, I do feel pangs of guilt when I see backlogs at CSD that I'm (in part) responsible for... I'd like not to have to burden admins with endless requests for moves/blocks/deletes (from myself and beginners who talk or email me). Yeah, why not? yandman 13:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Pangs of guilt, uh? Well, if you need a nominator, give me a couple days to become more familiar with your contributions and then we'll talk again, shall we? Fut.Perf. ☼ 15:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Thanks, by the way. yandman 15:53, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Kuru ^talk

Your edits to Day trading: Great copy edit and clean up of the article - it's nice to see someone drop in a fix something up instead of just slapping a maintenance tag on it. Kuru ^talk 18:50, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! yandman 21:30, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Patchouli

bin Laden and his followers call it jihad. I have been watching the MEMRI videos at http://www.memritv.org--Patchouli 10:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, and his opponents call him "terrorist". Instead of saying both, we just stay neutral and just say he is a "militant islamist" (something no one disagrees with). yandman 10:47, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Kdswarz

Could you please comment whether the comment like "Largely unpopular with the Chinese public of his involvement with the crackdown of the Tiananmen Square Protests of 1989" is npov or not. I lived in China for the past 25 years and I can tell you it is not true. If anyone want to claim this, at least any reliable source of the information should be cited.

Why he is unpopular? Why removing such untrue comment is npov? Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Kdswarz (talk • contribs) 15:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

Sorry about that, I was concerned over your "Li's idea that social and political stability is key to the enonomic development has been accepted by a lot of Chinese" which was unsourced and portrayed him in a positive light, not the Tiananmen thing. Your new version is better, but this article seriously needs sources. yandman 15:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. --Kdswarz 15:21, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

User:BradDick

Can you explain why my subject was deleted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by BradDick (talk • contribs)

See this, which mentions this policy. the message I left on your talk page explains the gist of the policy. Thanks for your comprehension. yandman 21:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Mike Mendoza

Here is the disputed sentence:

A former member of the Conservative Party, he has served as a councillor for the party on Adur District Council near Brighton. [1] [2]

Can you please give me one good reason why this sourced material should not be included in the article? Thank you. 217.134.95.182 17:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

See the discussion here. By the way, you should create yourself an account so that we know who's who. Thanks! yandman 19:52, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I wish to preserve my anonymity on this issue. User:Samuel Blanning is unwilling to discuss the issue further, he has locked the discussion page and has deleted a valid question that I put to him. 195.92.67.74 23:50, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Droideka88

Ok I understand I don't have a source but I have studied the Gravity Gun from numerous HL2 videos and game that there are some imbalance issues with the Gravity Gun. Could I copyright my observations and present them again with my opinion? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Droideka88 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 18 January 2007 (UTC).

Unfortunately, no. Or rather, not unless you happen to work for PCGamer. yandman 07:38, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Newyorkbrad's RfA

Thank you for your support on my RfA, which closed favorably this morning, as well as for your kind comments accompanying your !vote. I appreciate the confidence the community has placed in me and am looking forward to my new responsibilities. Please let me know if ever you have any comments or suggestions, especially as I am learning how to use the tools. Best regards, Newyorkbrad 19:56, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Globefeeds

I realy would like to know WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? Why you keep erasing my contributions? Or why you redirecting MY work to your sites? Is that ok? I dont think so... Anyway have lot of fun..... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globefeeds (talk • contribs)

Nothing written here belongs to anyone, and (as the three warnings on your talk page say), Wikipedia isn't a place to advertise on. yandman 10:14, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Now I realy don't get this! If my contributions where advertising then what is Del.icio.us and similar pages? They are alowed to have external links and you keep erasing one single external link on my contribution and calling me spamer... There is explanation about limited external links and why i'm not allowed to have ONLY ONE? You may keep this site only FOR YOUR PURPOSES, good luck...

This is an encyclopaedia. Subjects that are notable enough, such as the website Del.icio.us, warrant an article about themselves. Your site isn't nearly notable enough, I'm afraid. The links are supposed to be to sites that describe the phenomenon in question (such as a site giving a history of RSS feeds), or the site belonging to the subject of the article, not for sites providing services related to the article in question. yandman 10:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

OH what a bullshit. I'm not trying to compare RSS directory to Del.icio.us, and i'm not trying to advertise anything just want to start one simple thing in my life and to let people about it. I know where and how to do paid advertising as i allready do, but does this site have to become most relevant website on internet to be writen about, or i can do it now? I just started my first works today and you confuse me completly. I dont wanna be pain in the a** but also dont like someone to be it to me, specialy not on the beggining. Apreciate your work, but there is NO external links at all or there is limited external linking. Gues i have bad bad day to start anything....

FisherQueen

Thanks for taking the time to review my contributions and contribute to my RfA. I withdrew when it became clear that the uphill climb had crossed the snowball threshold, but I appreciate your feedback and the process gave me some good ideas for other ways I can be contributing to Wikipedia. I'll work on the areas that came up in the discussion, and try again after I've gained wider experience. -FisherQueen (Talk) 12:31, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Filll

The answer that I hit him with was from the article I and orangeMarlin wrote at level of support for evolution, just slightly edited and cut and paste. The reason I wrote this article is because, as you notice, this question comes up over and over and over about whether scientists or religious leaders etc support evolution or not. People who have contact with only some very restricted community think that the whole world is like the people they know. So some preacher or creationist tells them there are thousands of scientists who disagree with evolution and it is a hoax, and they believe them. Some preacher says all christians disagree with evolution, and they believe them. Someone says evolution is of no value and they believe them. So I collected all the information in one place. I would appreciate it if you find this useful to please add your voice of support to the discussion now going on on the talk page of level of support for evolution. ScienceApologist is trying to make the case that this material is not useful and is of no interest to anyone on Wikipedia, and that the article should be deleted. He also wants the name changed (name change I could live with, but not to any of the names he seems to want).--Filll 13:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Fut.Perf. 2

So, you've started it! Good luck! Fut.Perf. ☼ 13:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Now maybe I should get back to work... yandman 13:50, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Scott5834

Kudos on your edits to the Day Trading article, you've really done a great job! Scott5834 15:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Ta very much. yandman 10:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yannismarou

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long
Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey
May there be many summer mornings when
With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time

Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey
And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something
To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable
This is my assistance with anything I can help.

SCZenz

Can you consider revising this edit to remove your sarcastic comment about the poster's use of language? We should always consider the possibility that the poster may be non-native speaker doing his/her best and would take substantial (and unnecessary) offense at comments on their use of the English language. Thanks, SCZenz 15:47, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I was making a light-hearted jest at the poster's use of "management speak", not the quality of his english. yandman 16:02, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I understand very well what you were trying to say, but it looks to me like there was both "management speak" and a less-than-perfect command of the English language present in the comment. That being the case, it would be easy for your "light-hearted jest" to be misinterpreted. Bear in mind that neither how you perceive what he said nor the light-hearted intention of your reply are visible to the original poster; that being the case, our obligation to be polite to new users requires extra care in the tone of the reply. Besides, is it really civil to make fun of "management speak"...? Obviously the way the original poster formulated the question in a way he thought made sense; telling him you don't like it doesn't seem nice to me. -- SCZenz 12:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

You're right, I should have added a little sentence to clarify things: "I'm not a manager, so I might not have understood the question perfectly, but ...". As for civilty, the jest is a rather common one (Private Eye has a "best of the management speak" page every week). However, you're right about the fact that he might not have perceived the humour intended. Tell you what, I'll drop a note on his talk page to clear things up. Cheers. yandman 12:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not a big deal at all. :) SCZenz 12:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

HJ32

You warned this repeat offender (164.58.72.3 earlier in January...it's a school computer, but pattern of vandalism goes back a long way. Same ole stuff three times today! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by HJ32 (talk • contribs) 02:41, 25 January 2007 (UTC).

Thanks! The school's been blocked for a short period of time. Unfortunately, we have to accept a bit of vandalism from schools, because if we perma-blocked them, where would we recruit editors? Have fun editing the 'pedia. yandman 08:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Just H

My apologies for part of my comment on your RFA. You have no control over what Alkivar says, and it wasn't fair of me to take that into consideration in my decision. Thank you for your comment to cool my head a bit, I made a mistake and i'm not afraid to admit it. Even though i'm still opposing per your userbox question answer, I wish you the best of luck Just H 17:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

No worries. Thanks for wishing me luck, it looks like I'm going to need it... yandman 17:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hybrid

Thanks man. My Wikibreak could have been longer, but I have to admit it is nice to be back. Flippin' vandals. I came back to a level 2 last night. Moan, it’s time to fire up VandalProof. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 20:15, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

RiseRobotRise

Thanks for your rather eloquent explanation of the situation. I should have been more explicit in my original answer, because quite a few people seem to have misunderstood what happened. Cheers. yandman 19:24, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey no problem, I was slightly alarmed that people decided to talk about that issue without really knowing what went on. Good luck on your adminship. :) RiseRobotRise 00:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Best of luck yandman. I threw my support in there. Cheers, -- The Hyb rid 02:42, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello12345678

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Indeed. yandman 09:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Baristarim 8

Hi, what's up.. Since I saw that you actually formatted the latest edition to that article, I am really curious as to why you didn't simply revert. In this case, the addition, in the culture section that gives the overview of a millenia of Turkish culture, of a whole paragraph (on top of the existing four) that compares the Turkish youth to Nazis based on very weird analysis??? The fact that Mein Kempf sold 150,000 doesn't mean anything, and it definitely doesn't merit to be in that article by a longshot. I have Mein Kempf at home which I had bought in college, along with the Bible, Das Capital etc etc. You know we should actively stop the article from becoming a newscast. You know why? Off the topic, let me give you an example: Mein Kempf sold (in its first ever edition in Turkish in Turkey ~150,000 copies. (Before the only copies were in English) Well, there are 72m people. Anybody who adds this info to the culture section and try to make it look like Turks are Nazis is either a)doesn't know anything about the topic or b)is in bad faith with an axe to grind (btw, did you bother to check the talk page of that user who is insisting on adding that bit? If a user is getting warned even by Greek users to take it easy, then there is something fishy). Anyways.. So 150,000 copies eh? The latest Picasso exhibit in Istanbul in the Sabanci Museum (first in Turkish history as well) - drew nearly 1m visitors for the duration of the exhibit. So next time, if someone adds that Turks are Nazis because some book sold so many in its first addition, I think we can add that bit too :) Please try to sit back and think again about such additions. Turkey has been opening up to the world very fast since the end of the Cold War, and such fluctuations are normal. It is not like the book had been on sale since the 40s and suddenly people rushed to the bookstores to buy it. Maybe you thought that it would be reverted at one point, but I got confused because you actually cleaned it up.

Btw, just on a side note.. The ultra-nationalism in Turkey is not of the same mold as fascism in Europe. There are many reasons why Turkey is not considered European by some, and it is true that there are many fundamental cultural differences. Ultra-nationalism in Turkey is 99percent of the time very religious (not fundamentalist, but pious) and would generally justify its actions by some sort of jihad. Since Turks have single-handedly spread Islam for centuries and stopped the re-Christianization of the Middle East, it becomes easy to convince some youth of this. I know some people love to draw comparisons with Nazis all the time, for many reasons, but it cannot be done. Turkey has a tradition that challenged Europe as a whole for centuries, and it has its fair share of original blends. Anyways, enough rambling. Cheers! Baristarim 15:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I didn't look to see who the guy who posted it was, I just wanted to make sure it was well formatted before being considered by "the community". Changes often get reverted because they're "dirty" and editors can't be bothered to clean them up. As I said on the talk page, I don't think "culture" is the right place to mention this, but I think it's fair to say that there is a strong ultra-nationalist movement in Turkey (at least compared to most European states), and this warrants mention. Maybe the "Mein Kampf" bit would be better suited for the article on the book (it's rather surprising that a nation whose inhabitants are not what I'd call aryans are buying more copies than can be attributed to curiosity), but the whole nationalist movement you decribe is worthy of mention, IMHO. yandman 16:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

8 now is it? :) Well.. The last time I checked, it was Le Pen that was in the second tour of the French presidential election, Nazi parties were gaining ground in Eastern Germany, Haider in Austria, Northern League in the government in Italy (one of whose ministers had said "just shoot at those immigrant boats"), BNP in England, rampant racism against the Jews, blacks and et al in Eastern Europe, not to mention Russia, ex-Yugoslavia etc. I really hate to be sarcastic, but I really cannot stand things to be blown out of context. There is no "strong ultra-nationalist" movement in Turkey. Such parties only get 2-3 percent of the vote. What has happened, however, is a rise in nationalism as a result of perceived double-standards by the European Union and Europeans - this was talked about in the foreign relations section before the rewrite.

I will try to see if I can work an addition about that nationalist reaction into the foreign relations section in a phrase or so. That angle is quite legitimate and true. I cannot do it right away since I have to get involved in an arbitration case for this as first order of business, but will look into it soon.

As for Mein Kempf.. I actually disagree.. I think that anyone who is interested in the history of human political evolution should read that book (obviously it is a bit too long and contains a lot of rambling and trivia), in the same way they should read Das Kapital, books of Rousseau, the Bible etc. It is a valuable insight to a mindset who left huge marks on human history since it describes one of the major potential thought processes that a human can have by his nature, along with individualism, communism, materialism, anti-materialism etc. As for Turkey, there was a huge media thing when the book got released since it was the first time it was being released in Turkish, and unfortunately it had coincided with a rise in conflicts in Palestine. That's why 80,000 people bought it in the first two months (even that caused a scandal in the Turkish media). The real question is: How many of them are sold every month today? I seriously doubt that it is making such huge inroads. By nature, Eurofascism is foreign to Turkey, and there are tons of ultra-nationalist Turkish literature avaliable that would be easier for an ordinary Turk to follow (that unique blend I talked about). Baristarim 16:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Baristarim's views show a unique understanding of NPOV and what is worth mentioning. It is a fact that similar movements exist in Western Europe; but the fact that the French vote for Le Pen is irrelevant in deciding whether to mention the rise of neo-fascist ideology in Turkey. Baristarim also proposes that equal weiht is given to Mein Kampf and the Bible!! The fact that one is the psychopathic rumbling of a maniac and the other one of the greatest texts in human history should be relevant in assigning weight. As to "perceived double-standards" for Turkey's EU entry talks this is pure fiction: nationalist feelings have been aroused by EU's insistence that Turkey fulfills the requirements of its customs union with Cyprus; no one is picking on Turkey and even the Greeks wholeheartedly support Turkey's entry. It is the incipient nationalism that is especially prevalent in the more backward regions of the country that believes in preferential treatment. --Tedblack 17:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The Bible is also the rumblings of a couple of megalomaniacs, just fyi. Quran is the rumblings of one megalomaniac, that is the only difference. So who are you really? You sound familiar. User:GreekWarrior perhaps? :) Baristarim 18:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Baristarim is it true that Mein Kampf is your favourite book?--Tedblack 17:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Taxman

You're now an admin. Have fun helping to keep the project improving. Be conservative with them, especially at first, but as you get the hang of them and keep re-reading the policies, dig in and help out with the backlogs, there are lots. Also do what you can to take into account the opposition in your RfA to the extent it can make you a better editor. Then let the rest go. Again, congrats - Taxman ^Talk 14:53, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you made it! It's become sort of a good tradition to award newly created admins in our part of the wiki this here in addition to the normal mop and bucket, given the amount of mess to be cleaned up. Although you might want to be careful using it at first. Beware especially of that red button immediately to the right of the steering wheel, it sometimes makes the machine jerk forward unexpectedly and bump into things. Fut.Perf. ☼ 14:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations. - Tragic Baboon (banana receptacle) 15:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Nice one. Good luck! The Rambling Man 17:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Way to go Yandman! Much deserved. --Tractorkingsfan 20:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, very pleased to see you get the broom. Congrats. | Mr. Darcy talk 21:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Great job yandman, you're an admin. Now you get to mop my floor for me! Sweet, -- The Hyb rid 01:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Ooooh, New Buttons! And everyone's congratulating me, so I don't even have to send out thankyou messages. CSD here we go. Errr.... maybe I'll just go and read the guide to deletion again, before I run over anyone. Cheers! yandman 08:03, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Yikes I didnt even see your RfA (you'd definitely have had my support) - regardless, congrats! Glen 08:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. Now, what's the secrest password? I'll go out and buy a hooded cloak this afternoon. yandman 11:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)