User talk:Yak79 2.0

Stop trying to insert your political opinions into Wikipedia. Leave it in a state where it can be most objective. "Countries/Territories" is absolutely fair. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.151.140.1 (talk) 20:02, 11 April 2018‎ (UTC)[reply]

List of metro systems: number of stations

The List of metro systems change the rule about the number of stations: now interchanges has to be counted always once. Hence, some checking & fixing work needs to be made in order to fix the anyway messy "Stations" column, and I'll do it by performing these steps:

I'll check the official system map identifying the correct stations number according to the new instructions of the list legend;
I'll search whether the operating company or transit authority provide a total for stations count;
if they didn't provide it, I'd try to find another good source for the "right" station number;
whenever I'll be reasonable sure that no such source can be found, I'll put an explanatory note of this kind next to the number: As of August 2018, the number is xxx if the zz interchange stations (i.e. different sets of platforms) are counted multiple times, once for each line, while it's yyy if they're combined; (+ possible further details for the specific system) adding as reference both the system map and the official operator's count as references inside the note; I also believe that for bigger systems (> 150 stations) the note would be needed also when a source for the “right” station number can be found, if the official count was different;
I'll also verify that the related List of metro station article, if any, do match with the number listed. ⇐ I'll save this for later, since the previous steps already require quite an amount of work

Below, the list of all the systems in need of care:

systems to be checked

Buenos Aires, Baku, Minsk, Santiago, Beijing, Changchun, Changsha, Chengdu, Chongqing, Dalian, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Harbin, Hefei, Kunming, Nanchang, Nanjing, Nanning, Ningbo, Qingdao, Shanghai, Shenyang, Shenzhen, Shijiazhuang, Suzhou, Tianjin, Wuhan, Wuxi, Xi'an, Zhengzhou, Santo Domingo, Cairo, Mashhad, Tehran, Pyongyang, Busan, Daegu, Incheon, Seoul Metro, Seoul Korail, Kuala Lumpur, Monterrey, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, Manila LRT, Warsaw, Lisbon, Bucharest, Moscow, Novosibirsk, Saint Petersburg, Kaohsiung, Taipei, Ankara, Istanbul, Kharkiv, Kiev, Boston, Chicago, NY Subway, Philadelphia SEPTA, Washington D.C., Tashkent, Caracas.

systems currently under revision

by me

Recife, Salvador, São Paulo, Sofia, Hong Kong, Tbilisi, Budapest, Kobe, Mexico City.

fixed systems

Algiers, Vienna, Brussels, Rio de Janeiro, Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Medellín, Prague, Lille, Lyon, Marseille, Paris, Toulouse, Berlin, Hamburg, Munich, Nuremberg, Athens, Bengaluru, Chennai, Delhi, Hyderabad, Milan, Naples, Rome, Fukuoka, Kyoto, Nagoya, Osaka, Sapporo, Sendai, Tokyo Toei, Tokyo Metro, Yokohama, Singapore, Bilbao, Barcelona, Madrid, Nizhny Novgorod, Stockholm, Bangkok Skyt., Bangkok MRT, Dubai, London Tube, London DLR, Newcastle, Atlanta.

systems on hold (with the reason)

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Abuja Light Rail

Based on what you're saying, it sounds like it should be categorized as "commuter rail". It definitely shouldn't be categorized "light metro" as it is currently at the article!!

The trick will be finding a source that calls it anything but "light rail". I'm not going to go looking on my end, but I'd be curious to see if you or somebody else can find something actually calling it "commuter rail"... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:58, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The system has (at least) two official names, the other being Abuja Rail Mass Transit, whilst press and other sources call it indiscriminately "light rail", "LRT", "metro", "light railway", "light metro",... sometimes in the same article or even combined; but I found three cases where it's explicitly labeled "commuter rail".^[1]^[2]^[3] Conversely, R. Schwandl's site classifies it a metro, as the blue dot in the map, and not red (light rail/tram) or green (suburban/commuter rail), states.^[4]

The route goes through what journalist Pelu Awofeso describes as a "landscape of farmlands, homesteads and an array of granite rocks"^[5] that might become built-up soon as a result of the steady growth ratio of the city and, maybe, some TOD, but currently it'd be really hard to describe as "urban"; the infrastructure is really railway-ish, with regard to both the line and the stations, the latter being very big - with a wide concourse, a staffed counter, waiting rooms: facilities uncommon, if not downright absent, in classic rapid transit or LRT stations - and well spaced to each other; even the name of one of them - Abuja Metro, the closest one to the city urban area - despite being one of the occurrence of the "metro" brand being officially used, is rather improbable for a rapid transit or LRT station.

The rolling stock is quite odd and difficult to define: it consist in Chinese metro trains (although I didn't find which type they belong to or are derived from), but hauled by diesel locos due to the planned electrification actually not being built; currently they're seeking to increase the number in order to increase the number of daily trips, but it's unclear which kind of thing (if any) was ordered.

In the end, in my opinion the "metro" tag betrays the ambitions of Nigerians authorities, whereas the "light rail" one might result from the Chinese involvement, since they tend to put under the 轻轨 (qīngguǐ) (commonly translated as light rail) umbrella any rail transit that doesn't fit in their other categories; but neither of them is suitable for this system. Yak79 2.0 (talk) 00:11, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Oirere, Shem (13 March 2014). "Nigeria funds Abuja commuter rail project". International Railway Journal. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
^ "11 years after, Abuja light rail takes off". The Nation. 24 July 2018. Retrieved 2019-10-25. The commuter rail is, therefore, crucial for sustainable integration of the satellite towns into the metropolitan transport.
^ Tella, Kola (13 July 2018). "Nigeria's first metro line opens in Abuja". The African Courier. Retrieved 2019-10-25. Abuja Rail Mass Transit, commonly known as Abuja Light Rail, is a commuter rail transport system in the Federal Capital Territory.
^ "Africa". www.urbanrail.net. Retrieved 2019-10-25.
^ Awofeso, Pelu (20 May 2019). "Next time you fly into Abuja be sure to ride on the Light Rail ". The Daily Report. Retrieved 2019-10-25.

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Those Indonesia light rail systems...

In fact, based on things like passenger capacity, I don't think either of those systems can accurately be called "light metros" – the Jakarta system is just a 2-train set, and the other one is only a 3-train set (that's the same as, say, the San Diego Trolley...). In point of fact, I don't see a source at either of those articles that uses the term "light metro", so calling them "light metros" seems like pure WP:OR (and probably inaccurate, to boot)... So I'm not sure calling them "light rail" is inaccurate, especially with both systems actually "branded" that way. Bottom line: Someone probably needs to do work on both of those articles to see how WP:RSs actually refer to those systems. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:49, 31 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of tram and light rail transit systems

Going to ask you to keep an extra eye on this article, if you're around – the Hong Kong-POV pushers are back. (In fact, this likely the same LTA case back under a new account...) In any case, this is completely contrary to the long-standing consensus at this and other related articles, consensus that has been established again and again over the years... Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 02:39, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I'll do that. Regards, Yak79 2.0 (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2020 (UTC) – P.S. I hope everything's fine with you in these dire times we're all going through.[reply]

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Medium-capacity rail system‎

I could use your help here. Editors keep messing with the Indonesian systems in the list, and each time there is no sourcing added. I can't tell if it's sock farm or a case of meat puppetry, but at the least I'd like a fresh set of eyes to take a look at this article, and recent edits here. Thanks. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:21, 6 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi IJBall, I took a look at the content and history of the list: among other good points - notably, the six-car train configuration being, as you pointed out, rather at odds with the "medium capacity" categorization - the introduction of the list says that only currently-operating MCSs are listed, and I think it's a good choice given that characterizing a system before its opening is often speculative, if not plain and simply WP:CRYSTALBALLish. Maybe all the "future" systems should be removed altogether, regardless which stage they've reached by now. Yak79 2.0 (talk) 18:27, 7 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I edited the list in line with my above considerations. Yak79 2.0 (talk) 12:25, 10 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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