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Happy editing! Selfstudier (talk) 11:30, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I have reverted your most recent edit at World Central Kitchen airstrike but left those others made before this notification. Please confine your editing in the AI area to the making of edit requests per the above notices, thank you.Selfstudier (talk) 11:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

@Selfstudier Yes I was not completely aware of the restriction due to lack of explicit protection. Thank you for the message. Y. Dongchen (talk) 11:36, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
Kindly stop responding to discussions and editing in AI area, you are only permitted to file edit requests, nothing more. Thank you. Selfstudier (talk) 11:46, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
I was not aware of the restriction extending to the talkpage. Thank you for this notice. Y. Dongchen (talk) 11:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Best thing is to rack up 500 edits elsewhere and then you will be good to go. Selfstudier (talk) 11:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Your edits on WCK were fine, you just got caught up in world events. Stick with it.Ed1964 (talk) 20:23, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion on Persian script on Fatima Payman infobox

Hello, I am pinging editors that have had an interest in the Fatima Payman article. A discussion is taking place on the article's talk page as to whether the Persian script should remain in the infobox, feel free to contribute if you would like! Thanks, DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 11:43, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia rule; Assumption of good faith

Hi, I have seen your recent comment on the Australian politics talk page, wherein you stated that I possibly had a culture bias, although this is disrespectful, rather than lecturing you on disrespect, I thought I might mention wikipedia rules. Wikipedia:Assumption of good faith lays out rules on how wikipedians should engage with others, and requires that a respective wikipedian assumes good faith in another's edits. I don't what to be that guy, but given your persistent disrespect to convention, consensus (see: Talk:Fatima Payman, and I would argue myself, it may be worth a read if you get the time. Regards, DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 13:31, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Note in case of future reference: clarified my intentions and immediately apologised for my message coming across as hurtful — over on that talk page. (See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Australian_politics#Positioning_of_non-Latin-script_names_in_biographies.) Y. Dongchen (talk) 05:35, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Apology for previous (archived talk page) message

Hi Dongchen, I thought I would apologise for the talk page message that you have archived wherein I was clearly angry and misguided. I understand that you had since apologised for the systematic bias thing. I recognise that we have differing views on many matters, but I also understand that it should not effect how I communicate with you to resolve matters and create a better Wikipedia. Thanks - DeadlyRampage26 (talk) 05:55, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

No problem. I understand the impulse. I understand you're coming from a Liberal Zionist perspective. I know the sheer anger that online discourse is capable of proliferating. And I have simultaneously received (in real life, sometimes when I express opinions) my fair share of cantankerous insults from certain impulsive Arab acquaintances my age who self-profess to be "pro-Palestinian". The emotion boils over. But I vow to never overlook the significance of emotions, and hence to never react back with unnecessary impulse.
With anyone, I remember this quote:
Have a nice day! Y. Dongchen (talk) 09:06, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Fatima Payman

You have previously received a notice about restrictions on editing related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. You are not currently qualified to edit in this area. You should therefore abstain from editing the Fatima Payman page. Burrobert (talk) 05:47, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. As you point out that the "area of conflict" per the arbitration guidelines may be so "broadly construed" such that my latest edit on that particular passage demands proxy editing via a request to an extended-confirmed user, I will submit such a request via the talk page and refrain from directly applying it until I am at 500 edits.
And as a personal note: I have no enmity towards Palestinians; I detest the Israeli government for their actions. But Wikipedia is not supposed to written in a non-neutral tone. It is not supposed to be pro-Israel, not pro-Palestinian. It is pro-truth. That is the premise of my approach. In regards to your wording of that passage, I think it is not a very faithful representation of the source. As much as I sympathise with Payman and the broader peace movement, my role as a Wikipedia contributor is not minimising criticism of Payman that is present in a source.
Have a good day. Y. Dongchen (talk) 06:36, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
That's a fair and reasonable response. I did not oppose all your edits to the page and the final product is a combination of both our edits. My concerns were fairly minor. The main issues were:
  • to ensure readers understood that Payman abstained from voting on the Labor amendment, rather than "refusing" it.
  • to use the neutral term "said" rather than "pointed to" and to avoid the term "despite". These come under the policy at WP:words to watch.
  • I wasn't sure that "disagreed with" (your wording) and "deviated from" (the source's wording) are synonyms. "Deviated from" may possibly suggest Aly took some actions which contravened policy, similar to what Payman did. "Disagreed with" indicates a state of mind and, until the thought police become a thing, this breaches no party policy. Anyway there is no clear evidence that Aly did in fact take actions against policy, so it is not worth spending time over this issue. Burrobert (talk) 14:33, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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