User talk:Xylosmygame

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Speedy deletion nomination of File:Flapamba (from Emil Richards Collection).jpg

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Possibly unfree files

For your information, I've nominated all of your uploaded files for deletion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2012 August 14#All files by User:Xylosmygame. --Stefan2 (talk) 19:03, 14 August 2012 (UTC) Why is that? Because that's not the case. You'll need to prove that, of course.--Xylosmygame (talk) 19:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC) I own the copyright.--Xylosmygame (talk) 19:29, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

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Your recently created articles

Hello I've come across a number of your recently created pages at WP:NPP and they're just not notable. In particular I'm thinking of Whale Drum, Rub rods, Tubolo, Viscount Bells, Satellite drums and Glock tree. These all appear to be made in very small numbers by probably a single craftsman each. The sources in the articles at the moment just don't support their notability. What I suggest you do is move the content (text and images) from the pages into Emil Richards Collection and redirect the pages. If/when more sources emerge for these they can be split out. Stuartyeates (talk) 20:14, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

While I respect your opinion, I disagree. Wikipedia is lacking a lot when it comes to comprehensive info about percussion, not only in the articles themselves, but in the breadth of articles that already exist. Because of this, I've added info to other articles (and donated pictures) about standard percussion such as chimes, marimba, song bells, and idiophones in general. Percussion is a gigantic, virtually endless field with instruments from all corners of the world. I'm trying to fill-out some more info about instruments which are eclectic and hard-to-find info on - but many are in symphonic literature and used today in ensemble pieces. When looking at the score, professionals often have a hard time trying to figure out what these instruments are. But, one other important difference with these instruments in particular is that they have been a part of hundreds/ thousands of "classic" recordings/TV/movie soundtracks that millions of people have heard over and over again (but probably never knew what they were). For instance, the whale drum is used constantly as a major theme sound throughout the TV show Lost. Just because they are niche, doesn't make them unimportant. I would also argue that the nature of percussion is niche. Many or most percussionists are constantly seeking new sounds, and in awe of those which they don't know yet. I (and my spouse) know this because we are expert authorities in this field. Otherwise, I'm working on getting even more soundtracks to add to these articles; I should be adding some more on quite soon. My contributions are helping to fulfill the mission of Wikipedia, which is to be the go-to authority on as many topics as possible. --Xylosmygame (talk) 21:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Viscount Bells for deletion

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Also included in the nomination is Tubolo, Satellite drums, Glock tree, Whale Drum, Rub rods. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

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I know this may be hard to believe, but I'm not doing this for promotion. Since Wikipedia is so adamant about referencing, I was trying to make sure everything has a source. I don't have a "store" either. So before you make assumptions about me and my intentions, think again. Not everyone's out to "get something." Contributing to Wikipedia is a very confusing and frustrating process. Not everything is done for gain or out of malice. I, like others, am trying to expand an area which has, frankly, pathetic representation on Wikipedia. What would be appreciated would be edit suggestions, not just DELETING EVERYTHING. I'll restate this again: the nature of percussion is niche! Let me ask you: are you an active percussionist? Should we just have standard percussion like marimba, xylo, chimes, drum set and timpani on here? Or is the purpose to shed some light on these instruments that get called for but are unknown to many percussionists? Xylosmygame (talk) 18:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Also, I'd like to ask how an article such as Tubaphone (which anyone could tell had a lot to be desired!) got deleted when the references I provided were Deagan and the Percussive Arts Society.

What's wrong with this, to start:

"Originally called a tubuscampanophone,[1] the tubaphone is a musical instrument in the percussion family; it is a Metallophone that is made up of a series of metal tubes arranged in a keyboard configuration.[2] Notably, the name "tubaphone" actually refers to the specific instrument invented and named by the J.C. Deagan Company, for which a patent was granted by the United States government on August 6, 1889. The J.C. Deagan Company produced 12 different models of tubaphones, with varying ranges and options for mounting on frames and floor racks, or just frames.[3] This instrument consists of multiple highly polished and triple plated bell-metal tubes, which are mounted on a frame. They are played with xylophone or glockenspiel mallets, and in fact, can be used as a substitute for glockenspiel because of the similarities in timbre; a number of different sounds can be made by using different types of mallets (when the tubaphone was originally sold, various mallets were included with the instrument). Like most glockenspiels, tubaphones are highly transportable, as the tubes lift off the frame to aid in packing.[3] There have been a number of imitations made by other companies and individuals of Deagan's tubaphone,[3] such as Viscount Bells or Tube Bells; at times these other tube keyboard instruments are called "tubaphone" - but the name actually refers to the original instrument trademarked and named by J.C. Deagan.[4][5]"

??? Notice the references. Straight from a copy of the vintage Deagan book. Percussive Arts Society? Is this entire section a problem?

Now, I continue with the film use, because it is part of the information I have. If you'll notice on my source site, it was taken from a series of recorded interviews, plus a site by notable-enough-to-be-written-up-in-NPR studio percussionist Emil Richards.

"Use in film and other recordings Viscount bells, one of the types of keyboard percussion tube-bells, were notable in their use in numerous soundtracks by such composers as Elmer Bernstein and David Raksin. The sheer brilliance of them made them a favorite substitute for glockenspiel, or combined with glockenspiel, for recording. They were used by studio percussionists such as Emil Richards (who had them as part of his Emil Richards Collection).[6] Emil received them in the 1980s from film composer Michael Kamen, who brought them back from a trip to England and had Emil use them in the studio. Their range spans two octaves, C6-C8.[4]"

So yes, I would like to publish it again. I WILL REMOVE external links to LAPR and Emil Richards, no problem. I welcome edits, but I think deletion is unnecessary. I think it's being done hastily because it's the "quick fix". Again, editing suggestions? Or is there simply nothing I can do to appease you?

Xylosmygame (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Would also like to point out that Emil Richards played the xylophone part that you hear in the theme music to The Simpsons, which you obviously have an affinity for :) Xylosmygame (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Re Store. OK, wrong word. Business where you are trying to make money from the products you are trying to advertise on Wikipedia.

Re The Deagan Resource. The page linked to is from a sales catalog. Not an independent source. The website itself is not a reliable source. Who publishes it? We can't see. So we can't say they have "a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy". Looking at http://www.deaganresource.com/about.html and http://www.deaganresource.com/admin.html says to me it's a self published site made partly from user submitted info.

Re Percussive Arts Society. Given their purpose is promotion, not an independent reliable source. Has similar issues with self published and user submitted info as above.

Re the general feel of articles such as Viscount Bells. They are not about the instrument but a coatrack to discuss the "legend"ary Richards and his collection.

Re Original Research. "Wikipedia articles must not contain original research." "Its content is determined by previously published information rather than by the personal beliefs or experiences of its editors.". Your personal knowledge fits in to that. Your interviews are original research on a self published source. It's also "better not to cite material you have written or published"

Re "the nature of percussion is niche". Yes it is. And a such a lot of it may not get covered in independent reliable sources as the potential audience is small. Until it is covered by such sources it should not be covered here.

Re neutral point of view. A neutral point of view needs to be maintained. "The sheer brilliance of them" "legend". Not neutral. "were notable in their use in numerous soundtracks", how were they notable? A significant part of the tupaphone is a paraphrase of a sales catalog that still reads like a sales catalog, not neutral.

Given the numourous issues and the emphasis given to a spammed sourced I felt complete removal was the best option. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:13, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Stone marimba

The article Stone marimba has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Spam with real claim to notability, lacks coverage in independent reliable sources. Mix of bad sources, original research, linkspamming and promotion. Refs used are not independent reliable sources.

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Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:06, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Also prodded are Song bells, Flapamba, Pipe gamelan, Dharma Bells' Lujon (musical instrument). duffbeerforme (talk) 12:08, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

I think it's pretty ridiculous that the Percussive Arts Society is not considered a valid reference because they have a "purpose of promotion". Really? We're talking about musical instruments here, not religion or politics. There's no real "agenda" with PAS other than to share info about percussion instruments. Song bells (for example) is actually a pretty standard perc instrument (not super-standard, but somewhere in-between). But you knew that because you're a percussionist, right? PAS has an online virtual museum with pics and info. If I'm not allowed to use a reference like that, then I'm just done. And frankly, with insane standards like that, I probably don't want to be a part of this Wikipedia "project" anyway. Xylosmygame (talk) 16:55, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Understandable, but please don't give up too easily! One turkey doesn't make a thanksgiving. (;->

Have a look at Talk:Emil Richards#Issues and all comments welcome.

Not everyone treats newcomers and new articles as they should, see part of my welcome here. But we're getting some good percussion coverage as time goes on, limited mainly by not enough helpers. And you obviously have a lot to contribute once you get past enough of the learning curve to be able defend yourself and your contributions.

And I'm really sorry that is proving necessary, and will help where I can.

See also Wikipedia:WikiProject Percussion, and maybe even User:Andrewa/creed for where I'm coming from. Andrewa (talk) 00:44, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I looked at a number of your comments on various pages. Thanks for your support!

I've worked on this a ton. Between interviewing, writing articles, learning the basics of Wikipedia, and subsequently defending my work and editing, I've spent hundreds of hours. I have the info. You're right, I don't know how to defend it well enough (obviously). I am one authority on this topic, but I have not published a book or encyclopedia about some of these instruments. No one has (about most - some more standard ones have been covered in published books, which I only have hard copies of). But that doesn't mean that the less known ones are not important. Not sure what else I can do, though, when even the Percussive Arts Society is not a valid reference. If my references don't work, then I think I don't have a chance. Basically, I'll pose this to you, or anyone else who wants to help: I have the info. You have a way to get it on here, make certain edits if needed, and protect it, let me know. Otherwise, I'm out of time and patience. Just being upfront about it. Xylosmygame (talk) 03:08, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe you should write a book. You've done the research, you have expertise. It's a better place to publish your work. And if you get the right publisher it can be used as a reliable source on Wikipedia. duffbeerforme (talk) 09:23, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Hang in there

I've worked on this a ton. Between interviewing, writing articles, learning the basics of Wikipedia, and subsequently defending my work and editing, I've spent hundreds of hours. I have the info. You're right, I don't know how to defend it well enough (obviously). I am one authority on this topic, but I have not published a book or encyclopedia about some of these instruments. No one has (about most - some more standard ones have been covered in published books, which I only have hard copies of). But that doesn't mean that the less known ones are not important. Not sure what else I can do, though, when even the Percussive Arts Society is not a valid reference. If my references don't work, then I think I don't have a chance.

Basically, I'll pose this to you, or anyone else who wants to help: I have the info. You have a way to get it on here, make certain edits if needed, and protect it, let me know. Otherwise, I'm out of time and patience. Just being upfront about it.

It's communication. Believe it or not, those references which I only have hard copies of are making me drool. And they are a key and even unfair weapon.

A citation to a dead tree printed book in the correct format is far more effective at answering unhelpful criticism than a link to a website. Yes, this makes little sense in some ways, but it's the way it has worked out here. Quote the page and ISBN and in practice the onus of proof then falls on your critics, and they have little chance of checking it so they don't even bother. (But please, yield not to temptation, keep the references honest anyway! We will eventually be found out if we cheat, and in any case, it doesn't help Wikipedia long term even if we do get away with it.)

And it has a logic to it... they are the better reference, academically, and many Wikipedians (and generally the less helpful ones) are desperate to give Wikipedia academic cred. So they love the dead-tree citations. (Wrongly in my view... it is the academic press that should be terrified that Wikipedia is stealing their street cred, and even more terrified that there are good reasons for this... we are the future. Primary school children now learn critical reading in Australia, assess the assessor, and the academic press have an enormous problem of evaporating relevance and revenues.)

Anyway, please hang in there. I suspect you have resources (both the library and the knowledge) that would be more valuable to WikiProject Percussion than the entire libraries of the existing contributors. Andrewa (talk) 16:25, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

This may sound unorthodox, but I guess I've already proven to a non-traditionalist on here anyway. Can you call me? I just don't have the time to write everything out and ask all of these questions. Look around for my number. You'll find it.

Xylosmygame (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Unorthodox is fine. Or you could email me your number. I am in Sydney, Australia, and was guessing you were in the USA. Maybe skype is a possibility? Andrewa (talk) 23:06, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of File:Rub rods (from Emil Richards Collection).jpg

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