User talk:Xooon
About my talk page
[edit]Please organize your messages. I'll reply all talks in my talk page. So if you write something here, I talk back here. Xooon (talk) 03:14, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
Good morning, I was making corrections about the three main groups of the Fārsi - Contemporary local nomenclature, but you removed the first. I don't understand why, because there are errors, and I was just correcting a small share of it. Please note that I am an exiled Afghan, coming from the south of Herāt, I speak Dari and Fārsi. Could you avoid to remove what I do? Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.126.133.88 (talk) 08:13, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hello. I discussed in my edit/reverting summary why I undid your changes. You can delete that specific section if you have a reliable source that shows the current content is false. You must prove your edits with good reliable references, otherwise your edits are just disruptive. Better discuss (with your references) in the article talk page. Xooon (talk) 08:31, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
Hello Xooon, I don't know who you're talking to, but I'm not some anonymous 78.126.133.88, the author of those lines above nor of the edit — and I don't speak Persian or any dialect of this group. I wasn't even home until 14:00 p.m. today. But my IPs are due to what is indicated on my talk page (Just two points, for the time being: "Notice"). --— Air Miss Ѡrite ➔ 13:44, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
I watched again what this was about, and it seems that there was an error (could you please check [1] to avoid another error? Thank you). For the sources, it may be difficult for her/him to give some, but she/he is an Afghan who speaks two of this languages: isn't this enough? I compare this to my situation: I am a native Northern Sami speaker, and I can tell you it's a real challenge to find written sources for everything (far from it), and there is not even any dictionary. And I know a Tahitian coming from the Tuamotu Islands: she has exactly the same problem. --— Air Miss Ѡrite ➔ 14:20, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
- Hi. I saw recent changes. No problem. But all of them are same. They are just accents/dialects of the Persian language (Persian = Dari = Tajiki) with different names. Like American English and British English. Anyway I think current revision is good enough, so I don't revert your and her/his edits. Xooon (talk) 16:04, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
Scythians
[edit]I denied your AIV report against an IP editor for edits at Scythians and Talk:Scythians. The edits to the article aren't vandalism, though they may be wrong (I have no idea). The talk page comments are personal attacks, but happened to long ago to block the IP address (since many editors change addresses every day or two). I did remove the comment from the talk page as an unacceptable use of talk page.
I also reviewed the article, and it's not clear to me that there is enough disruption to semi-protect the article. Most of the changes appear to be content disputes, not vandalism, though obviously one or more people are pushing a POV. The problem is, I can't tell if that's IP editors, or those editors with accounts. You are, though, welcome to open a semi-protection request at WP:RFPP, as other admins may feel differently. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:45, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. Xooon (talk) 06:32, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
Pahlavi clan
[edit]Pahlavi clan is a Persian clan not Azerbaijani.They were always proud to be Persian.Orartu (talk) 10:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- I replied. See your talk page. Xooon (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hello.But Pahlavi clan is different.They destroyed Azerbaijan of Iran, Azerbaijani people's language and culture.Azerbaijani people were massacred by Reza Alashti and his son.In addition, there isn't any authoritative and valid source to confirm that they were Azerbaijanis or had Azerbaijani descent.About other cases, all of them are born in Persian-ethnic(Fars-ethnic) regions from Persian(Fars) parents and are considered to be Persian-ethnic(it is different from Persian-speaking people)in Iran.Orartu (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- As I said before, only reliable sources and references are important (source does matter). You talked about Shah and Pahlavi family. Shah's mother "Tadj ol-Molouk" was from Baku. Is she Azeri or not? Shah's wife "Farah Pahlavi" also has Azeri origin. Reza Shah was Mazandarani. So how you identify them as Persian? Even if an editor want to call them Azeri, he/she must have sources to confirm it. It's obvious that Pahlavi is an Iranian family with mixed heritage. We can categorize them as "Iranian". Because this is the fact that is confirmed. But if anyone want to write about something like "descent", it requires reliable sources (Azeri, Persian, Mazandarani, or etc). Ethnicity is not equal or related to somethings like you wrote in my talk page (and copied here). You can not change people's ethnicity/nationality/demonym with somethings like personal view, political view, and similar ones. If you think "X is Y", then you must find reliable and relevant sources. Instead of changing categories' names without any reason OR adding irrelevant categories without any source, better find sources. Your edits are not minor edits. All of them need source and must confirmed by the other editors. Xooon (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Categorize them as Iranian people not Azerbaijani.Jewish identity is passed from mother,Pahlavi family were Jewish?Orartu (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- What?! Xooon (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- You said that Farah Diba(Wife of Mohammad Reza) and Tadj ol-Molouk Ayrumlu (mother of Mohammed Reza Alashti) were Turks and according to this the Pahlavi family could be placed in Category:Iranian people of Azerbaijani descent.It was possible, if they were Jewish.(I mean,if Pahlavi(Pahaluni or Palani) family were Jewish, they could take their identity from their mother).Orartu (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Read your talk page. Xooon (talk) 15:21, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- We talk about ethnicity/ethnic groups. There is no difference between Mother and Father. If someone's mother is from ethnicity/country X and father is from ethnicity/county Y, and that person is a citizen of the country Z. That person is a X-Y-Z. You can call her/him X, or Y, or Z, or X-Y, or X-Z, or Y-Z, or X-Y-Z, or any other thing that is related and relevant to that person. Again, [[Barack Obama]]'s article is a very good example. And also many of those categorizations are done by the Azeri Wikipedians (for example articles about Iranian Azeris). If you think they are false/wrong and have reasons for them, you better discuss in the talk pages or directly talk to the editor(s) who did categorization. Most of those categorizations have source and you need to collaborate with other editors and admins. Unsourced, wrong, unnecessary, false, and irrelevant categories will be removed by the other Wikipedians to improve content. So everything is clear. Xooon (talk) 15:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Farah and Tadj ol-Molouk were not pure Turks.Farah's mother was Gilak.Tadj ol-Molouk was Ayrum and had Greek and Christian descent.They must be categorized as Greek and Gilak too.The Azerbaijni ancestry of Pahlavi family was doubtful, because they were killers of Azerbaijani people, culture and language and they cannot be regarded as Azerbaijanis.Orartu (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Their real race is Fars(Persian).Because Fars people of Iran are not pure and are composed of different races.Look at hereTemplate:Ethnic groups in IranOrartu (talk) 16:10, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Farah and Tadj ol-Molouk were not pure Turks.Farah's mother was Gilak.Tadj ol-Molouk was Ayrum and had Greek and Christian descent.They must be categorized as Greek and Gilak too.The Azerbaijni ancestry of Pahlavi family was doubtful, because they were killers of Azerbaijani people, culture and language and they cannot be regarded as Azerbaijanis.Orartu (talk) 15:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- You said that Farah Diba(Wife of Mohammad Reza) and Tadj ol-Molouk Ayrumlu (mother of Mohammed Reza Alashti) were Turks and according to this the Pahlavi family could be placed in Category:Iranian people of Azerbaijani descent.It was possible, if they were Jewish.(I mean,if Pahlavi(Pahaluni or Palani) family were Jewish, they could take their identity from their mother).Orartu (talk) 14:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- What?! Xooon (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Categorize them as Iranian people not Azerbaijani.Jewish identity is passed from mother,Pahlavi family were Jewish?Orartu (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- As I said before, only reliable sources and references are important (source does matter). You talked about Shah and Pahlavi family. Shah's mother "Tadj ol-Molouk" was from Baku. Is she Azeri or not? Shah's wife "Farah Pahlavi" also has Azeri origin. Reza Shah was Mazandarani. So how you identify them as Persian? Even if an editor want to call them Azeri, he/she must have sources to confirm it. It's obvious that Pahlavi is an Iranian family with mixed heritage. We can categorize them as "Iranian". Because this is the fact that is confirmed. But if anyone want to write about something like "descent", it requires reliable sources (Azeri, Persian, Mazandarani, or etc). Ethnicity is not equal or related to somethings like you wrote in my talk page (and copied here). You can not change people's ethnicity/nationality/demonym with somethings like personal view, political view, and similar ones. If you think "X is Y", then you must find reliable and relevant sources. Instead of changing categories' names without any reason OR adding irrelevant categories without any source, better find sources. Your edits are not minor edits. All of them need source and must confirmed by the other editors. Xooon (talk) 14:17, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hello.But Pahlavi clan is different.They destroyed Azerbaijan of Iran, Azerbaijani people's language and culture.Azerbaijani people were massacred by Reza Alashti and his son.In addition, there isn't any authoritative and valid source to confirm that they were Azerbaijanis or had Azerbaijani descent.About other cases, all of them are born in Persian-ethnic(Fars-ethnic) regions from Persian(Fars) parents and are considered to be Persian-ethnic(it is different from Persian-speaking people)in Iran.Orartu (talk) 13:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
Race?! Xooon (talk) 16:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Hello
[edit]Dear Xooon; It's about a month that I haven't seen your name on my watchlist. Hope everything be OK with you and you turn back sooner to continue your valuable contributions. Regards, --Aliwiki (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
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