User talk:Xidoraven/Archive 1

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Notability of Wiki Fiction Roleplay

A tag has been placed on Wiki Fiction Roleplay requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done because the article appears to be about a person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is notable: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, articles that do not assert the subject's importance or significance may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

If you think that you can assert the notability of the subject, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would confirm the subject's notability under Wikipedia guidelines.

For guidelines on specific types of articles, you may want to check out our criteria for biographies, for web sites, for bands, or for companies. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. Whispering 17:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Whatever. Now that I see the discussion logs for Elftown (which is apparently not important, even though MySpace must be), I can't say that I'm surprised that this content got deleted for laughably questionable reasons. You all need to educate yourself on what is considered 'popular culture' and the integrity and notability of less-known about organizations if you are to consider yourself a true archive of veritable information. -- Xidoraven (talk) 07:11, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I understand your frustration, but nobody said WFR is not important. The article was deleted because there was "no indication of importance/significance" (emphasis mine). See WP:CSD#A7. --Geniac (talk) 00:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not entirely sure that anyone understands my frustration at this point. Now, not only has the article been deleted, but the disambiguation of WFR (which had already had the link removed) has now been cleared of my statement, even though it was downsized significantly from a full article, and still fully and completely referenced. I am about to have a serious problem with the Wikipedia Moderators, and it may have to include me talking to the site moderators, because this is ridiculous. I have led advanced wiki pages for four years, contribute regularly to http://www.dandwiki.com and would like the history books to be aware of a major effort in the gaming and fiction community to advance the goals and methods of role-players and fiction fans. I am not sure what the hell I have to state in my article that would fully define that point, but if INSTEAD of simply deleting my article all the damn time, be a PAL and start editing it for me and discussing the implications behind its inclusion on this site. I am SO TIRED of listing the link on pages, and having to retract my statements Guild-wide about WHERE and HOW we are informing the world of our presence.

If you are not the one to deal with my issue, I want to talk to the one who IS. -- Xidoraven (talk) 00:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

(de-indent) You've said a lot here, so I'll respond point by point:

1. "the disambiguation of WFR (which had already had the link removed) has now been cleared of my statement" -- User:Bkonrad removed the entry from that dab page because there were no internal links. Yes, that's standard practice.
2. "even though it was downsized significantly from a full article, and still fully and completely referenced." -- Your references included the official website hosted at Elftown (a primary source), a reference for d20 being a Wizards of the Coast creation (doesn't really need a reference, but ok), your userpage at dandwiki and elftown (not a Reliable Source), a facebook page (not a RS), then several websites hosted at Elftown (primary sources). Do you have any references from reliable, third-party published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy? (see WP:RS)
3. "I am about to have a serious problem with the Wikipedia Moderators, and it may have to include me talking to the site moderators, because this is ridiculous." -- Wikipedia doesn't have moderators; it has administrators. It appears that the admins in this case followed all the relevant policies. Can you provide evidence otherwise?
4. "I have led advanced wiki pages for four years, contribute regularly to http://www.dandwiki.com" -- Ok, but Wikipedia has policies that may differ from other wikis.
5. "and would like the history books to be aware of a major effort in the gaming and fiction community to advance the goals and methods of role-players and fiction fans. I am not sure what the hell I have to state in my article that would fully define that point," -- That's the basic issue at hand; how is Wiki Fiction Roleplay important? Who is saying it is important?
6. "but if INSTEAD of simply deleting my article all the damn time" -- I didn't. Ioeth did.
7. "be a PAL and start editing it for me" -- I know nothing about it, so what do you suggest I write?
8. "and discussing the implications behind its inclusion on this site." -- It was deleted per WP:CSD#A7.
9. "If you are not the one to deal with my issue, I want to talk to the one who IS." -- Whispering nominated it and Ioeth deleted it 20 minutes later.

--Geniac (talk) 16:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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