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The Four Sons of Aymon

Thanks for your input on The Four Sons of Aymon. I've adjusted the text, based on a downloaded copy of the 1931 edition. Unfortunately, my Dutch is poor to non-existent, so I've had to rely on Google translate for my interpretation of the editorial section. Please feel free to amend, or get in touch if you think I can help. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 10:12, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This week I was informed that the copy printed by Jan Seversoen, Leyden 1508 was digitally published by the University Library in München, Germany, where it is kept: http://epub.ub.uni-muenchen.de/14276/1/Cim._77.pdf For me an excellent opportunity to compare it to the edition published by G.S. Overdiep, Groningen enz. 1931 and to transform it into an epub-edition. Since it was a very long time ago that I read the book I checked some names and places and that is how I found 'your' page. 'Renout van Montalbaen' is a free, not word by word, translation of a periphere copy of 'Renaud de Montauban' that dates from the first half of the 13th century. This (Flemish?) translation has been 'umgeschrieben' in german as: 'Reinolt von Montelban' and this 'Umschreibung' has survived in a complete manuscript together with an 'Umschreibung' of a very free and loose Middle Dutch adaption of 'Maugist de Aygremont'. The Middle Dutch 'translation' into verses has been adapted into prose and this adaptation has been printed by Jan Seversoen at Leyden 1508.

Reliable books on this subiect matter are:

— Hans Kienhorst, De handschriften van de Middelnederlandse ridderepiek. Deventer 1988. 2 vol.

— Irene Spijker, Aymijns kinderen hoog te paard. Een studie over 'Renout van Montalbaen' en de Franse 'Renaut'-traditie. Hilversum 1990.

Yours, Willem Kuiper 11:36, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. The Munich file downloaded on the 5th attempt. My own interest in Quatre Fils D'Aymon is also tangential, and more connected to my own research than my contributions to Wikipedia. However, this little article is looking a bit neglected. Caxton's massive translation barely gets a sentence, and the whole thing is massively under-referenced. I'll probably chip away at this over a few months - feel free to join in or heckle. Again - thanks for caring. Fiddlersmouth (talk) 22:14, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]