User talk:Wpntm

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Feel free to drop a note on my talk page if you have any questions. I wish you all the best on your wiki voyages! Graham87 (talk) 14:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

October 2023

{subst:Uw-npov1|Coronary artery bypass surgery}} Graham87 (talk) 14:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits seem to give undue weight to René Favaloro's contribution. New users trying to advance a point of view (especially on a carefully constructed article) are treated with suspicion here. You need to declare any conflict of interest you have regarding this subject. Graham87 (talk) 14:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for expressing your concern. I don't have any conflicts of interest, and I am not even Argentine myself, but thank you for bringing this up. If you believe there is undue weight, please support that with trustable sources and references. Having studied the subject before and having familiarised myself with the work of Favaloro and others in the field, I have concluded that his contributions in this particular area were clearly dimmed in the article, which I have sought to correct. I have provided very solid references including the UK's NHS and the The Journal of Thoracic and Cardiovascular Surgery. Favaloro's work was truly transformational - I do not agree with your edit, please revert it immediately. Wpntm (talk) 15:09, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In fact I might consider the possibility that "changed the field forever" could be a bit debatable. Just "changed the field" (which is beyond any debate) would probably be more appropriate.

A note on fair editing: your lack of trust for another user's edits is not, in my view, sufficient justification for undoing their hard work. If you feel you don't trust something, please do your homework, do the research, find suitable references and build a respectful dialogue. I argue that it will be impossible to refute that Favaloro's work was foundational.

Finally, a note on "new users": do not assume you are talking to a new user. I'm a long time contributor and donor who has only recently decided to register under a username.

Either way, thank you very much for your passion to keep Wikipedia at its best, and please review your undoing of my edit. Wpntm (talk) 15:16, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have reverted my entire changes based on your objection to the sole phrase "changed the field forever". I have also noted your reverting my entire contributions to Favaloro's article (René_Favaloro) based on your disagreement that the Lead section was appropriate. I have now proposed an alternative phrasing, but in general please try to make positive contributions, fix what's wrong while leaving there what's right. Instead of undoing your peer's hard work, try to build on it.

On the other hand, please keep in mind our code of conduct (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette), in particular the point around avoiding reverts whenever possible, the point about basing your edits on intuition, and the point about assuming good faith.

Thank you and keep writing! Wpntm (talk) 15:55, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have brought up your edits at "Coronary artery bypass surgery" on its talk page so that other people can review them; conversations about those edits should continue there. As for your edits to René Favaloro, I think they're even more inappropriate as they massively violate Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy (not to mention that the lead section shouldn't need citations). Writing here, especially medical writing, is just extremely dry and clinical by its nature. I've added a bit about René Favaloro's "father" monicker in a more appropriate section. If you want opinions from more medical editors, you can ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine. I'm reminded slightly of the discussion at Talk:Mahalia Jackson#"Queen of Gospel Music" honorific. That's all from me for tonight. Graham87 (talk) 16:24, 17 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]