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re nomenclature for eastern front
[edit]OK, I think I'm correct, but not absolutely certain. I have started a discussion thread here Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Which is correct when writing on Russian subjects, "Great Patriotic War" or "Second World War". These guys may have some sage comments. Herostratus (talk) 16:02, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Wow, thanks!
[edit]Hey, thanks for the star! Yes, that's one of the nice things about Wikipedia, minds working together. Happy Wiki'ing, and message me if there's ever anything I can do for you. Cheers, Herostratus (talk) 21:40, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you. --WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 03:29, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
World War II vs. Great Patriotic War
[edit]Stop, the wiki community has decided to use the term "Great Patriotic War" for Russian military articles because in Russia the war is called the "Great Patriotic War"... Stop removing it, sooner of later someone will try to block you because of this disrupting editing. --TIAYN (talk) 07:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- No. This discussion has already occured, on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history#Which is correct when writing on Russian subjects, "Great Patriotic War" or "Second World War", with my view on it in favour, so I suggest you stop. --WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 08:24, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- There is no discussion there about the "Great Patriotic War".. Second, you'll have to wait for wiki consensues, thirdly there has already been a bunch of discussions on this topic already.. Take a look in the archives, all discussions favored the term "Great Patriotic War" over "World War II". It doesn't matter if you supported it, Wikipedia is not centered around you, and the Wikipedia consensues uses the term "Great Patriotic War". --TIAYN (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- TIAYN, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Essays/Nomenclature for the Eastern Front of World War II or the Great Patriotic War. This is just an essay, but note at the bottom it points to two discussion that show the consensus on which the essay is based. If you want to overturn Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Essays/Nomenclature for the Eastern Front of World War II or the Great Patriotic War, open a new discussion. Otherwise you should abide by it. And I speak as an editor who was originally in favor of using "Great Patriotic War", but WorldWarTwoEditor won the point fair and square, so let's not keep arguing over it. Herostratus (talk) 17:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- See the banner "This is an essay which contains the advice or opinions of one or more members of the Military history WikiProject. While it is not a part of the formal military history guidelines, it provides some recommendations and ideas for members to consider.". Seeing nearly all Soviet and Russian articles use the term "Great Patriotic War" that essay is greatly backward... I mean seriously, all Soviet Russian articles i've seen use "Great Patriotic War", second, remember essay is not guideline and the term "Great Patriotic War" is used in those articles because of consenues. Leave it. --TIAYN (talk) 19:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yes it is just an essay, but see the discussions referenced at the bottom of the essay. Here's the deal: edit warring over this is absolutely unacceptable, period. What is acceptable is for you to establish a consensus You could do this by opening a new discussion, say in a thread at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or wherever else you think appropriate, and you could post a WP:RFC to bring in input from the general community. And if you have cogent new arguments or are a skilled debater, you might win your point. However, you will have to come up with a lot better than "all Soviet Russian articles i've seen use 'Great Patriotic War'", since this is English Wikipedia and we are not bound to the manual of style used by Russian publications. On the Russian Wikipedia, usage may differ. I mean, the argument that this Wikipedia iw written for English speakers and "Great Patriotic War" is meaningless gobblety-gook to many English-speaking people is a fairly cogent point, don't you think? If you can point out that Britannica or other publications use Great Patriotic War, that'd be a worthwhile data point. Anyway... I would not recommend opening up a new discussion, because in my opinion it'd likely just be a rehashing of old arguments. But it's your right to do so if you want to. But that is the only way to resolve this. Herostratus (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Firstly, there is a discussion there about the "great patriotic war", but it has been archived. Second, there already is a wiki consensues in favour of my stance. Thirdly, there has already been a bunch of discussions on this topic already; Take a look in the archives, you'll see that the most recent discussion favored the term "World War II" over "great patriotic war". It doesn't matter if you supported it, Wikipedia is not centered around you. I find your argument that "all Soviet Russian articles i've seen use 'Great Patriotic War'" is weak in comparison to using a more used, universal term that can be applied to generally all World War II articles. And thankyou Herostratus for your discussion, we are in agreement. --WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 23:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Yes it is just an essay, but see the discussions referenced at the bottom of the essay. Here's the deal: edit warring over this is absolutely unacceptable, period. What is acceptable is for you to establish a consensus You could do this by opening a new discussion, say in a thread at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history or wherever else you think appropriate, and you could post a WP:RFC to bring in input from the general community. And if you have cogent new arguments or are a skilled debater, you might win your point. However, you will have to come up with a lot better than "all Soviet Russian articles i've seen use 'Great Patriotic War'", since this is English Wikipedia and we are not bound to the manual of style used by Russian publications. On the Russian Wikipedia, usage may differ. I mean, the argument that this Wikipedia iw written for English speakers and "Great Patriotic War" is meaningless gobblety-gook to many English-speaking people is a fairly cogent point, don't you think? If you can point out that Britannica or other publications use Great Patriotic War, that'd be a worthwhile data point. Anyway... I would not recommend opening up a new discussion, because in my opinion it'd likely just be a rehashing of old arguments. But it's your right to do so if you want to. But that is the only way to resolve this. Herostratus (talk) 21:04, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- See the banner "This is an essay which contains the advice or opinions of one or more members of the Military history WikiProject. While it is not a part of the formal military history guidelines, it provides some recommendations and ideas for members to consider.". Seeing nearly all Soviet and Russian articles use the term "Great Patriotic War" that essay is greatly backward... I mean seriously, all Soviet Russian articles i've seen use "Great Patriotic War", second, remember essay is not guideline and the term "Great Patriotic War" is used in those articles because of consenues. Leave it. --TIAYN (talk) 19:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- TIAYN, take a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Essays/Nomenclature for the Eastern Front of World War II or the Great Patriotic War. This is just an essay, but note at the bottom it points to two discussion that show the consensus on which the essay is based. If you want to overturn Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Essays/Nomenclature for the Eastern Front of World War II or the Great Patriotic War, open a new discussion. Otherwise you should abide by it. And I speak as an editor who was originally in favor of using "Great Patriotic War", but WorldWarTwoEditor won the point fair and square, so let's not keep arguing over it. Herostratus (talk) 17:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- There is no discussion there about the "Great Patriotic War".. Second, you'll have to wait for wiki consensues, thirdly there has already been a bunch of discussions on this topic already.. Take a look in the archives, all discussions favored the term "Great Patriotic War" over "World War II". It doesn't matter if you supported it, Wikipedia is not centered around you, and the Wikipedia consensues uses the term "Great Patriotic War". --TIAYN (talk) 09:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
- Please stop!
This has already been discussed on WikiProject Military history:
- Great Patriotic War – 26 September 2010
- Which is correct when writing on Russian subjects, "Great Patriotic War" or "Second World War" – 30 September 2010
-- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:38, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK. I shall wait for a conclusion from the most recent discussion on WikiProject Military history. --WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 11:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- This change was not agreed to, and in fact most of the repondants have said that the articel before this alteration refeclted consunsu.Slatersteven (talk) 13:16, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks for the update. --WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 00:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Could you answer question on category?
[edit]I see you saw my question on the category. Could you answer the question? There are a lot more people who could be added but I need to get an answer. Thanks. JoshuSasori (talk) 05:57, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- I assume that the 1941-1945 period of the Second Sino-Japanese War would constitute as part of World War II, as China became a member of the Allies and Japan was a member of the Axis. I recommend asking on WikiProject Military history, they should give an answer to the question. Plus Yasujirō Ozu was also drafted into the Imperial Japanese Army in 1943, so he would have the category either way.--WorldWarTwoEditor (talk) 06:42, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not really sure he was actually drafted into the army in 1943. The article says that but it may be a bad translation. He may have just been hired to make a film for them. JoshuSasori (talk) 01:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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