User talk:Wollumbinmountain

May 2009

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources, as you did to Mount Warning. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. AussieLegend (talk) 03:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Please refrain from making unconstructive edits to Wikipedia, as you did to Wollumbin. Your edits appear to constitute vandalism and have been reverted. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. AussieLegend (talk) 03:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Hello, Wollumbinmountain. You have new messages at Bruceanthro's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--AussieLegend (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Please do not vandalize pages, as you did with this edit to Mount Warning. If you continue to do so, you will be blocked from editing. Eugene Krabs (talk) 06:02, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Mt Warning is Wulambiny

I'm here to contribute to a free encyclopedia. I have no detailed knowledge about your naming concerns and cannot help you. It seems like you need a lawyer or to contact appropriate people in the government.

Wikipedia is supposed to be neutral and balanced, so we essentially reflect what other sources claim. If you can find enough reliable sources the Mount Warning article may possibly mention there is some controversy regarding a naming dispute. I personally want the article to adequately cover other aspects of the mountain and focus less on traditional ownership issues such as its naming. - Shiftchange (talk) 06:13, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Article comments

Please direct any concerns you have about the Mount Warning article to its talk page (Talk:Mount Warning), instead of the talk pages of editors. Evil saltine (talk) 06:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Mt Warning

I have to tell you that I fully empathize with your feeling that your people have been wronged. And that's why I implore you, if you have the evidence to back this up, to get your version of the story in the newspapers, in the magazines, in scholarly articles, and if a lawyer agrees that there is some civil wrong at hand, in the courts as well. But not on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source. This is not the place to right wrongs or set the record straight. Wikipedia's purpsoe is to report the significant opinions of reliable sources. We are not tasked with determining the truth of a statement, or with correcting our sources. And this is why I have to tell you that the edits you've been making to Wikipedia are inappropriate, if well intentioned. But a continued effort to use Wikipedia as a platform to voice your viewpoint, regardless of its veracity, will result in your being blocked from editing. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:34, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to User talk:DigitalC.   — Jeff G. (talk|contribs) 06:40, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

The problem is that there are dozens of reliable sources to assert that Warning's aboriginal name is Wollumbin. Many of these can be found with simple Google searches. [1] [2]. I can only repeat what I stated previously: Wikipedia is not the place to correct sources or right wrongs. If these sources are all citing sources that cited sources that cited a mistake, then get that fact published and vetted and supported by a relialbe source before bringing it to Wikipedia. Someguy1221 (talk) 06:46, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Posting a message on my talk page is not vandalism. DigitalC (talk) 23:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This is the last warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
The next time you disrupt Wikipedia, as you did to Mount Warning, you will be blocked from editing. Bidgee (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Mount Warning. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Technically, you have now actually breached the Three-revert rule. If you edit again you will be blocked! AussieLegend (talk) 08:48, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: False Wikipedia Wollumbin information

First of all since you refuse/failed to cite a source(s) to prove what you're saying is correct which makes your edits unverifiable. Secondly, the claim for the Mountain has been proven by other editors in which you keep removing therefore the warnings given are not threats. Bidgee (talk) 09:01, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Role acounts

Hi, and a belated welcome to Wikipedia. Some of your recent talk page messages suggest this account is used by more than one person (this one for example). Is thi correct? If so, please be aware this is not permitted on Wikipedia - so-called role accounts are routinely blocked from editing unless individually sanctioned.

I notice you are also edit-warring at the Mount Wollumbin article. You appear to have stopped for the night, but the above warnings are correct - there is considerable disagreement over the material you want to insert and at this point you should stop re-adding it to the article and seek cosnensus instead on the article talk page. Continuing the edit war tomorrow will almost certainly get this account temporarily blocked.

I don't mean this to sound unfriendly, and I'm happy to discuss if you disagree with any of the above. Feel free to drop me a message either here or at my own talk page. Euryalus (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Wollumbin

Hello Euryalus,

Thank you for your reply. To clarify things, when I refer to "we" in posts, I am referring to the Aboriginal Elders who state Mt Warning is not Wollumbin, as is shown on the official Australian Geoscience Placenames site. Our Identities have been stolen. The Wikipedia Wollumbin info is false.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Please assume good faith in your dealings with other editors, which you did not on User talk:Bidgee. Assume that they are here to improve rather than harm Wikipedia. Bidgee (talk) 07:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Request for assistance - Mt Warning's alternative names

Today I read your request to assist 'correct" Wikipedia's information on Mt warning's Aboriginal name. I note you quote Lauriston Sharpe as giving alternative (and, you suggest, correct!) Aboriginal name.

Please, if it's not too late, and if you wish I would be glad to adjust the article .. should you wish to either e-mail me copy of the article/s to which you refer ..or, even, simply give full reference (including page number) - you'll find functional e-mail address on my userpage

In addition, perhaps, if there is controversy over the improper naming of the Mountain - you may be able to give detailed reference from any report given to the State and ors as part of the the recent Federal Court native title claims process .. which might be added to the article verifying the controversy.

Meanwhile I will do internet and other searches on the alternative naming you have given .. and should I find verifiable source, will make changes (if still necessary!0

Hope this will be helpful .. and hope you check/get this message! Bruceanthro (talk) 07:47, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Wollumbin. Mt Warning is Wulambiny

Thank you AussieLegend and Bidgee for confirming that Geoscience Australia and NSW Geographical Names Board show Mt Warning is not Wollumbin.

Searching "Wulambiny" in Google Books reveals Linguistics Professor Margaret C Sharpe "Dictionary of Yugambeh (including Neighbouring Dialects)" published by Pacific Linguistics in 1998. ISBN 0858834804. Official information.

Professors Brian and Helen Geytenbeek lived with the Elders at Muli Muli from 1961 to 1967. They confirm Wulambiny is the name for Mt Warning.

We have the tapes from NSW NPWS Anthropologist Howard Creamer, who studied The Keeper of Lore, elder Millie Boyd in 1977. She described Mt Warning as Wulambiny Momoli (Turkey Nest). Mt Warning is the silhouette of a Scrub Turkey, separate to Wollumbin, the Fighting Chief, place of death.

My Great Great Grandparents are buried with their friends King Wollumbin Johny and his Queen Ellen, in the Wollumbin clans ancestral burial grounds, 3 ranges and 3 valleys away from Mt Warning.

Elder Millie Boyds son is sitting next to me as I write. My Great Grandfather was named Wollumbin Gum Jimmy by his Aboriginal friends. Gum means crossing, as in Byangum, Tyalgum, Tumbulgum etc. Wollumbin crossing is 3 valleys and 2 mountain ranges away from Mt Warning.

Incompetent researchers did not bother to consult NSW state maps, pioneering families from the mountains, or the Elders when they wrote false local history books claiming Mt Warning is Wollumbin Fighting Chief. Mt Warning has never been a part of Wollumbin parish, and our Mountain was mapped and Gazetted Mt Wollumbin in 1974.

They followed the false white myth that a face can be seen in Mt Warning. As you have confirmed AussieLegend, the official Geoscience Australia site shows my fathers mountain is Wollumbin and Mt Warning is not. Wikipedia Wollumbin info is false.

NSW lands department Maps also show the first village of Murwillumbah, 8 kilometers from where Murwillumbah is today. Murwillumbah moved in the early 1870s. Murwillumbah is New Murwillumbah.

Google murbah then go into History section to find some supporting documents and maps.

Bruce I have tried your emails many times. They bounce back. We prove all existing work in the area to be false. Please provide an email that works to start correspondence.

(Wollumbinmountain (talk) 09:18, 12 May 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for trying. Try again on bioculturalconnexions@yahoo.com.au Bruceanthro (talk) 10:29, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

July 2009

Please do not add content without citing verifiable and reliable sources, as you did to Mount Warning. Before making any potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. Please review the guidelines at Wikipedia:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. Bidgee (talk) 01:49, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

October 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. We welcome and appreciate your contributions, including your edits to Mount Warning, but we cannot accept original research. Original research also encompasses novel, unpublished syntheses of previously published material. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your information. Thank you. Bidgee (talk) 08:39, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors, as you did at Talk:Mount Warning. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Bidgee (talk) 08:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm....

Hey Wollumbinmountain, I noticed you added something to the topic Dirawong.

Anyway, do you have material on the 'Legend of 'The Three Brothers' or 'Dirawong'?

And whats with this Mount Warning controversy? Whats the correct name of Mount Warning, and what tribal clan of the Bundjalung Nation is the word from, and what does the word mean?

Hamilton36 (talk) 14:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Bundjalung Nation

Hey Wollumbinmountain, 1) Can you mention if you have any info on the 'Legend of 'The Three Brothers' or the 'Dirawong'?

2) Can you add a map or a link to a map I can use showing the borders of the Bundjalung Nation?

3) What tribal clan of the Bundjalung Nation is the word 'wulambiny'?

You said 'real name for Mt Warning (Wulambiny Momoli) and its Aboriginal significance (Turkey Nest)'

4) So Wollumbin is another mountain North of Mt Warning, and it means "Fighting Chief, Place of Death and Dying"?

5) Do you have a list of Bundjalung/Bandjalangi/Baryulgil words of the Bundjalung Nation?

Hamilton36 (talk) 14:58, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Notable Bundjalung Nation people

Can you add to my list of "Notable Bundjalung Nation people" (as seen below)?

Famous Bundjalung Nation people include;

1. Albert Torrens: (a former international rugby league footballer who played for the Manly-Warringah Sea Eagles, Northern Eagles and St. George Illawarra Dragons in the Australian NRL and in the English Super League for the Huddersfield Giants.)

2. Dr Ruby Langford Ginibi: (an acclaimed author, lecturer in Aboriginal history, culture and politics, and who's grandfather 'Sam', in the year 1928, in a game of cricket at Lismore, New South Wales, Australia, became one of only two Aboriginal cricketers to ever get Sir Donald Bradman (widely acknowledged as the greatest batsman of all time), out. Later on in the cricket match, Sir Donald Bradman called Dr Ruby Langford Ginibi's grandfather 'Sam' a 'black bastard' and Dr Ruby Langford Ginibi's grandfather 'Sam' was in retaliation for the insult from Sir Donald Bradman, going to hit Sir Donald Bradman with a cricket bat, and its alleged that you won't find that in any European history books in Australia.)[27]

3. Mark Olive, also known as the 'Black Olive' & 'Bush food crusader': (a Wollongong born Australian, trained as a chef in Europe, with over twenty years cooking experience, and now has his own pay TV indigenous cooking show, "The Outback Cafe" and is also the author of cookbooks such as "Olive's Outback Cafe: A Taste of Australia".)

Hamilton36 (talk) 15:10, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Your recent edits

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Famous people from Coraki is out of my area, Tweed.Wollumbinmountain (talk) 15:34, 10 October 2009 (UTC)