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June 2019

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, your addition of one or more external links to the page Super Shops has been reverted.
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Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:Ed Steele

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Your submission at Articles for creation: Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit (February 16)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Fails WP:NBUILDING, the references/sources need to be about the building. The Data Behind Bars is a locked website (which means it is unable to be verified) - it also a WordPress website (which is not an acceptable or reliable source), the listing in the Biographical Dictionary of Canadian Architects - doesn't mention the building neither does the archINFORM article. The Walter P. Reuther Library reference is a mention in passing. The Trvl website doesn't specifically mention the building.

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Dan arndt (talk) 06:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, WikiWalkerWoo! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! Dan arndt (talk) 06:54, 16 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your submission at Articles for creation: Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit (February 17)

Your recent article submission to Articles for Creation has been reviewed! Unfortunately, it has not been accepted at this time. The reason left by Dan arndt was:

This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject. Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia.

The comment the reviewer left was:

Still fails WP:NBUILDING, requires significant coverage (about the building) in multiple independent reliable secondary sources.

Please check the submission for any additional comments left by the reviewer. You are encouraged to edit the submission to address the issues raised and resubmit when they have been resolved.

If you would like to continue working on the submission, go to Draft:Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit and click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window.
If you now believe the draft cannot meet Wikipedia's standards or do not wish to progress it further, you may request deletion. Please go to Draft:Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit, click on the "Edit" tab at the top of the window, add "{{Db-g7}}" at the top of the draft text and click the blue "publish changes" button to save this edit.
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Dan arndt (talk) 07:23, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit

I think that it appears to be an interesting building with a rich history. In order to translate that into a notable article on Wikipedia, you are going to need to provide a series of references to independent reliable sources. So firstly is the building formally include in any recognized heritage lists (State or Federal). Are there any newspaper articles about the building. Are there any details about the building or the history of the building covered in published books. Is the history of the building covered on any local or state government websites... That's where I would start - let me know how you go and time permitting I'll help out where I can. Dan arndt (talk) 07:47, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The three references that you provided all appear to be user-generated websites (blogsites) - none of them provide any details of what their editorial oversight actually is. As such without independent verification of the statements/information they contain they would not be considered reliable sources. Dan arndt (talk) 07:53, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just at work at the moment - if you give me a few hours I'll go through them and see which ones are acceptable. Need to avoid advertising or promotional material. Let you know when I've checked them. Dan arndt (talk) 09:22, 17 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies I have been sidetracked for the last day or so. Need to find articles/sources that aren't related to the ghost tours - as most of them appear to be advertising or promotional in their tone. Really need reliable and credible sources, particularly about the history of the station house. I'll keep looking. Dan arndt (talk) 05:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Dan. I totally understand - this is why I did not include any of them in my prior attempts. This is also the principal reason I am trying to get the Main page added, so there is a neutral source of information that is NOT in a paid service. Newspapers.com has 300+ mentions of the station that are in news stories from the Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press between 1930 and 2020, but you have to subscribe to their archives in order to see them. Anything you can do to help, or any suggestions you have will be greatly appreciated. I feel like it's a chicken and egg situation - and I definitely do not want promotional or self-promotional stuff to be part of this. Thanks. WikiWalkerWoo (talk) 06:17, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I just had another thought. Perhaps I am going about this backwards? Since the station was prominently featured on an internationally recognized Television Network (Travel Channel) on a bona fide television series, should I be trying to create a page about the Travel Channel Television Series and its list of episodes? Then, if that page exists, use it as a reference because the station was prominently featured in that Television Series? here is the piece that was featured: https://www.databehindbars.com/wp-content/uploads/mtp2019.mp4 . In your opinion, does that idea have merit? WikiWalkerWoo (talk) 06:30, 21 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for not getting back sooner. Some of the references you've provided have some merit. I also think I've found a couple more. In my personal opinion the building is more interesting and likely to be notable than a single episode in a television series. The television series could be notable in its own right - see WP:NTELEVISION for the notability requirements. In the meantime I'll start editing the draft on the Precinct Station and see how I can work some of those references. For a newbie you've made a remarkable effort at your first article. Any questions just ask... 08:38, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Dan. That means a lot to me, coming from someone as experienced as you are with this process. I'm trying to be a fast study! WikiWalkerWoo (talk) 04:08, 24 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Have you been able to access any relevant newspaper articles? Particularly any that relate to the buildings opening in 1930. I have checked all the relevant heritage databases and unfortunately it doesn't appear to be heritage listed. If you able to find anything about the stations involvement in the 1943 race riots that would also assist. Even if you track down a hard copy - we can cite these as reliable sources. I'd like to steer away from the paranormal angle for now - so try to avoid any of those references. Also are there any newspaper articles relating to Ed Steele's purchase of the building we can use? 09:55, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Dan. There is something called the Burton Historical Collection in Metro Detroit, which is a rich repository of printed matter. I will make an in person visit to gain knowledge of the printed matter and see if I can get ISBN's, dates, titles, etc. and will keep you posted. Thanks again for all your help. WikiWalkerWoo (talk) 08:37, 26 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The University of Michigan research project is definitely a legitimate and reliable source - the main issue is that there needs to be specific reference to the 6th Precinct building (not just an image stating "This is an image of the jail section of the 6th Precinct station house. Legett was likely held in similar conditions."). Is there anything else on the website that refers to the 6th Precinct that could be used. I'm not familiar with the geography of Detroit so I can't work out if the interactive map has any details. Certainly a step in the right direction otherwise. Dan arndt (talk) 01:26, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It would appear that the Legett incident occurred at the 5th Precinct station house not the 6th Precinct. Dan arndt (talk) 01:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Dan, I face a strange issue. There are so many articles of note that I can reference, but the particular newspaper (the Detroit Free Press) charges for access and requires a logon to access those stories. By way of example, there are two stories of the same notable incident on 25 February 1979 and 26 February 1979. The incident was on 24 February 1979. I have a photo of the clippings and an email from the Commander of the Precinct at the time of the incident. How can I properly reference it and give it credit, if it and many others are "behind a paywall" and still meet the Wikipedia requirements?

WikiWalkerWoo (talk) 02:06, 16 May 2021 (UTC)WikiWalkerWoo[reply]

Concern regarding Draft:Former 6th Precinct Station, Detroit

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