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Hello, Wendisway, and welcome to Wikipedia!

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Drmies I've been editing for over a year with no problems, and that wasn't a "test". It was a legitimate edit that has been deleted for no good reason. I apologize for forgetting to sign - I didn't realize I needed to because I am using an account with my name on it. Why is my edit being deleted? It has a good, reliable source (ABC News) - and I can add more sources if you want them. This seems to be political. I broke no rules, and this is a very legitimate news story about this person. I handled it very fairly and neutrally, but it seems that someone wants this figure protected from having information about their actions that is in the news on their Wikipedia page. Wendisway (talk) 16:56, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I was trying to be nice. It may be a legitimate news story, but we are not the news. "Someone wants this figure protected"--stop it, because before you know it you're spouting conspiracy theories. NOTNEWS is relevant, and WP:BLP is highly relevant, which you should know if you've been here a year. You are welcome to discuss the matter on the talk page, or on WP:BLPN. (And there is a difference between "ABC" and the local affiliate--right, User:Russ Woodroofe?) Drmies (talk) 17:02, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    You weren't being nice, you were being condescending, pretending that my edit was a "test" from someone brand-new to Wikipedia. Regardless, this story is in the news, far more than any other information about this subject has been, and the source was a legitimate one and reliable. There really is no reason to delete the information that is not political. Tosca made the comments and the story has been widely reported. My edit used neutral language and was very fair. Wendisway (talk) 17:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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OK, I give up. My edit was not about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict - it merely covered public statements made by a professor at an art college that have been widely reported by news media, on the page about that professor. But since the first attack on my edit (claiming it wasn't reliably sourced when it used an ABC News story from their National Desk) failed, I guess this one is the fallback.
It's clear that the subject of this article is one of those who gets Wikipedia's very special treatment. I will leave this obviously self-published PR puff piece of an article as is. No potentially image-damaging facts permitted, no matter how newsworthy, I promise. Wendisway (talk) 17:44, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Information icon You have recently made edits related to articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles. This is a standard message to inform you that articles about living or recently deceased people, and edits relating to the subject (living or recently deceased) of such biographical articles is a designated contentious topic. This message does not imply that there are any issues with your editing. For more information about the contentious topics system, please see Wikipedia:Contentious topics. Beccaynr (talk) 15:52, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wendisway, in particular, I urge you to read up on relevant Wikipedia policies, including the WP:BLP policy and the WP:NOT policy (esp. WP:NOTSCANDAL, also WP:NOTNEWS and WP:NOTGOSSIP). Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:05, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm aware of all that, Russ. I'm also aware that your suggested edits are the worst kind of whitewashing. You are attempting to make anti-Semitic speech sound positively noble, and I'm shocked that any editor would take it that far in an effort to gloss over this incident. I neither need nor appreciate personal editing advice from someone doing that, thanks. Kindly don't try to pretend that the actual words of an article subject that have been widely reported by reliable news sources are "gossip" or "not news", either, and discuss on the article TALK page. Wendisway (talk) 16:15, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You say that you are aware of WP:NOTSCANDAL and our BLP policies, but your responses make it clear that you have not taken them to heart. I urge you to do so. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 17:01, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's funny how whenever a Wikipedia makes disparaging remarks about any other group - LGBT or black people or Muslims, for example - it makes it into their article, word for word, within the hour without a hint of controversy. But whenever they spew hatred at Jews, suddenly there are ten editors crying about WP:NOTSCANDAL and WP:NOTNEWS and working overtime to sanitize the incident and keep their actual words off Wikipedia, while emphasizing how very quickly and nobly they apologized for the words we can't report. Wendisway (talk) 17:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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