User talk:Wayne Slam/Archives/2011/January

2009 Sharpie 500

You are welcome to add your comments in this AFD. Nascar1996 17:10, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Simiar information, but for the season, please do not create any season articles until the Chase the year prior. I was hoping no one would create it too soon. Also, a user has said that the above statement was canvassing, I left a note on the users talk page. Thanks and happy editing. Nascar1996 16:53, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I won't, thanks, and your welcome. WAYNESLAM 23:28, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

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Articles that you would like to copy edit

The first one is good to go. I've checked the length and put it on the drive page. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I was copy editing it but then I got an edit conflict which was your edit. WAYNESLAM 01:45, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you finish it after the edit conflict? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:59, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I have another one to do. WAYNESLAM 02:01, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Backlog elimination drive

The Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive is coming up. I see you've already signed up for the drive, which is good. I'll monitor your copy editing work during the drive and provide feedback whenever I can.

Also, since you need help identifying personal attacks in some instances, I'd like you to answer this question. Is this a personal attack or vandalism? Cheers, The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:50, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, and it's a personal attack. WAYNESLAM 19:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Technically, it's both. It's really only considered a personal attack if it's directed towards a user. HalfShadow 19:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Pure personal attacks, as I call them, are only made on user and user talk pages, except on a few rare occasions. In this case, the vandal changed the name of the person to "F**k the Utahraptor", so it was, indeed, both. But you at least identified it as a personal attack, so good job. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 19:58, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Which warning template would you give him: {{uw-attack1}} or {{uw-vandalism1}} or both? WAYNESLAM 20:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Probably {{uw-vandalism1}}, since it was on an article. If it had been on a user page or user talk page, then {{uw-attack1}} would've been appropriate. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 21:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay. When was GOCE first started? WAYNESLAM 21:08, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The Guild was officially created on November 21, 2006 as the League of Copyeditors. The name was changed in either 2008 or 2009. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 21:29, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Why does the backlog start every two months? WAYNESLAM 21:35, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

The month in between gives the copy editors a chance to rest after working hard during the drives. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 21:47, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Okay, and it's going to start tomorrow. I didn't contribute much to the November backlog due to reverting vandalism and I want a barnstar for this drive. WAYNESLAM 21:56, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

You only have to copy edit a few thousand words to get a barnstar. That may seem like a lot of words, but you have a month to get it done, so it should be easy. I got over 100,000 words in July, so anything's possible. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 22:00, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

That's a lot of words. WAYNESLAM 22:24, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Word count script

I noticed that you started participating. However, I also noticed that you haven't added your word count for this drive, or your rollover words. Do you have the word count script installed? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:13, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what rollover words mean, and no. WAYNESLAM 04:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) See Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Backlog elimination drives#Roll-over words. Your rollover words are located here. Do a search for your name, and you should find it.

Before continuing, you need to install this script. Instructions can be found on the link. You are required to get the word count of an article before beginning copy editing.

Please let me know if you have any other questions. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I fixed it for you. Now all you have to do is install the word count script. Remember: get the word count before you begin a copy edit. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:29, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

So the number of words I had in the previous backlog will be rollover words in this backlog, correct? I installed the script here. WAYNESLAM 04:31, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

That's right, you're good to go. Have fun! The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks but do I have to put the words manually or it does it itself? WAYNESLAM 04:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

You have to put the numbers in manually. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:37, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Is the word count you put in is the words you changed or the words not touched such as this? WAYNESLAM 04:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

It's the amount of words an article has before a copy edit is performed. In other words, you take the word count, put it on the drive page, then begin copy editing the article. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:43, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I think I get it a little bit. You mean all the words that were on that page at that time before the copy-edit was made. WAYNESLAM 04:46, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's correct. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:48, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Now I get it. I have problems copy-editing large articles. You know how to copy-edit articles by it taking section by section. WAYNESLAM 04:50, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Would you like to try that method? Copy editing a section of a large article is almost like copy editing an entire small article. Plus you'll earn barnstars faster by copy editing larger articles. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:52, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, to start. I'll give it a try. First, I need an article from the backlog to start. WAYNESLAM 04:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Try this article. It's just under 3,000 words long. Remember: section by section, with small breaks (usually about a minute long) in between sections. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:55, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Got It. I think it's easier to start from the smaller sections first. WAYNESLAM 05:06, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that you put an estimate of the word count on the drive page. This is OK, but it's highly recommended that you put the exact number of words, not just an estimate. Also, don't add the words to your totals until you've finished copy editing. If you're still confused, watch the process by which I copy edit for the drives. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:53, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know the exact edit count. I couldn't do that huge section. Okay. WAYNESLAM 17:09, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

If you installed the script correctly, you should be able to get the exact number of words by going to the toolbox on the side of your screen and selecting "page size". The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:14, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I did install it and nothing popped up. WAYNESLAM 17:17, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you try refreshing your cache? What Internet service are you using? Internet Explorer, Firefox, AOL, or something else? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:19, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm using Firefox. I did once. WAYNESLAM 17:20, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Are you sure the words "page size" aren't showing up in the toolbox? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:21, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. WAYNESLAM 17:22, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Try removing the script from your vector.js page, saving it, then putting it back. Remember to refresh the page as soon as you put the script back. If that doesn't work, let me know. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:25, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done. Nothing happened again. WAYNESLAM 17:28, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Remember when you used to use Igloo? Check the box where "Launch Igloo" used to be located. Is there anything that says "page size" there? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:30, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

No. WAYNESLAM 17:32, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

At this point, I'm not sure what's going wrong. We may have to contact Dr pda, the creator of the script, and ask him/her for advice. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:34, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

We should as soon as he's available. WAYNESLAM 17:35, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

[1] I have contacted Dr pda about this. Hopefully we get some helpful answers. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:39, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Hopefully we will. WAYNESLAM 17:40, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

I took a look at your monobook page and I don't see the script installed (probably the reason for not seeing the change to your tool box). If you add the following at the bottom of your current scripts, you should be fine.

  importScript('User:Dr pda/prosesize.js');

Kindly Calmer Waters 14:39, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

(facepalm) Wayne, I forgot something. The script doesn't work in Vector. You're going to have to switch back to Monobook. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it does work in Vector. I'm using its cousin prosesizebytes in Vector. Bypassing the cache (Ctrl + F5) on a mainspace article should do the trick for that page. If that doesn't work see here for an alternate way of using the script. Shubinator (talk) 15:32, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I added it in my monobook and I pressed Ctrl + F5 and nothing still happened. WAYNESLAM 23:31, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Which version of FireFox are you running, Wayne? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not the latest version, Utahraptor. WAYNESLAM 23:50, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)You could try removing the other two scripts temporarily from your Vector skin, and run it with just the word count script installed. Some scripts interfere with each other. You could try this idea on both the monobook and vector skins --Diannaa ^(Talk) 00:33, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll try it. Nothing happened after I tried it. WAYNESLAM 01:02, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Someone else can get the word counts for you if you can't get it working. That's what someone did for a user during the wikification drive. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 01:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Utahraptor can do it. WAYNESLAM 01:25, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I will. When you want to copy edit an article, send me a message on my talk page, and I'll get the word count and put it down on the drive page for you. You can then perform the copy edit. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I will. WAYNESLAM 01:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Maybe this script will work. We use it at Did You Know, but still would give you the word count that your needing and I believe it works well with both skins:

    importScript('User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js');

Calmer Waters 01:56, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll put it in my monobook page and see what happens. Thanks. It still doesn't work when I added it with this edit. WAYNESLAM 01:57, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

hmmm. Did you purge (control +F5) afterwords? Calmer Waters 02:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I clicked (control + reload) simultaneously afterwards and nothing still happened. WAYNESLAM 02:10, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

It will only show in your toolbox when on an article page. Let me try something. I'll see what happens when I remove and re-add it to mine. Calmer Waters 02:12, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

When trouble shooting a problem, it is best to start from the bottom and work up. I removed the script and purge my computer's temp memory with (control +F5); then went to an article page and the script was removed from my toolbox, took about a minute. I then re-insterted it, and did the same thing, and about a minute later, it returned. If you can do this for me. Go to your preferences and switch to the regular mono skin if you are not already in it. Then Press and hold (control +F5) at the same time till your computer reloads the screen. Then, go to a random article and let me know if the DYK check is to your left hand side of the screen under tools. Hopefully that will work. Calmer Waters 02:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Nothing has happened when I tried it. WAYNESLAM 22:28, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

This might be a dumb question, but are you sure javascript is enabled in your browser? See here for instructions on enabling it. Shubinator (talk) 04:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

It is enabled when I checked it. WAYNESLAM 23:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Problems with a copy edit

You recently copy edited the article Double layer (biospecific). It's good that you're participating in the drive, but I found a couple problems in the article that still need to be fixed.

• The second paragraph begins with "First of all, the surface of biological cells carry many different types..." Note how, throughout the rest of the paragraph, there is no "second of all", so the phrase "First of all" should be removed. Also, the word carry needs to be changed to carries, since the word surface is singular. The sentence should read "The surface of biological cells carries many different types..."
• The third paragraph begins "A second biospecific feature is peculiar for biological cells." This should be removed, as the feature's peculiarity is not relevant to the article.
• A sentence in the third paragraphs reads "This means that the notion of a surface charge is that it is located..." The phrase "that it is" should be removed.
• Somewhere in the third paragraph, it says "...flat surfaces which does not apply. Instead, the cell surface..." This sentence does not make sense. The first sentence should end on "surfaces", so it would look like this: "...flat surfaces. This does not apply; instead, the cell surface..."
• The final paragraph says "A third biospecific feature is peculiar for living biological cells only. The cells are not equilibrium with the fluid bulk, in the definition of life. There is a constant ion exchange between living cells and a fluid. Consequently, there is a difference in electric potentials between the cell interior and a fluid bulk, known as the transmembrane potential. This non-equilibrium potential affects the structure of the DL." This paragraph should be rewritten to say "In another feature, the cells are not in an equilibrium with the fluid bulk. There is a constant ion exchange between living cells and a fluid. Consequently, there is a difference in electric potentials between the cell interior and a fluid bulk, known as the transmembrane potential. This non-equilibrium potential affects the structure of the DL."

Other than that, you're doing OK. Keep these kinds of things in mind as you continue to copy edit. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 02:32, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I will. You'll help me work on that. WAYNESLAM 22:19, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

I will correct any mistakes you make, as long as you watch what I do and try to improve your copy editing skills. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 13:17, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. WAYNESLAM 23:07, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I noticed that you keep leaving certain phrases and words that don't belong in a Wikipedia article under normal circumstances. Please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (words to watch), and take note of the words and phrases that should not be in Wikipedia articles. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:16, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't know much about Wikipedia rules and policies. WAYNESLAM 00:43, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

As you continue content work, you'll learn. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. WAYNESLAM 00:55, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Your changes to the Huggle Project Configuration

Hi Wayne. With these edits, you attempted yesterday to add the following string to the warning section of Huggle’s project configuration:

agf:Reverted good faith edits by [[Special:Contributions/$1|$1]]

However, it did not do as I imagine you intended it to do. As I understand it, that section is for warnings attached to templates. Since there is no AGF template, you could not attach one to your string. Also, it would not be appropriate to “warn” an editor for a good faith edit.

It could possibly work as an alternative edit summary that could be applied to the edit and page being reverted. I tried this by adding your string to my personal HG configuration in the section for such strings. It worked, but the [Special:Contributions/$1|$1]] section of the string returned not a link to the person being reverted, but rather to the person being reverted to. Thus, it reads as if one is reverting the person prior to the person being reverted (i.e., the penultimate edit).

Finally, since you do not have HG access, you would not have been able to test your string yourself and so could not have known whether it would work or not. I would like to suggest that you not make changes to the project configuration for HG until such time as you are able to test your changes. I reverted your edit to the project config. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 02:27, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You may want to look at this to see why I did that, Spike. It's Huggle2. WAYNESLAM 02:31, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I don’t really believe that that matters. HG2 is still not official, as far as I know. And, you added it to HG, which means you had an obligation to make sure that it worked on HG. If it works at HG2, it is most likely because that program is differently written. We should not make changes to configurations that affect every user on the project (i.e., Wikipedia) without testing them. If you had HG access, you could have tested it first by placing it in your personal HG configuration and checking it out. At the end of the day, whether or not that string works on HG2, it did not work on HG, and had not been tested. — SpikeToronto 02:38, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. WAYNESLAM 02:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

(Belated) Happy New year

Say Wayne, thanks for the holiday greeting of a few weeks back. Sorry I'm just now getting back to you. May your 2011 be filled with joyful edits and Good Fortunes! Jusdafax 06:49, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Judasfax, and you too! WAYNESLAM 17:41, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

THanks

Can always use a helping hand! Hope you enJoyed my page ;-) Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk)

If you need help, just stop by this page and I'll help you. Your page looks nice. WAYNESLAM 14:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Article creation

How would you like to learn about article creation? Article creation is a very important aspect of Wikipedia, and I think you're ready to learn about it. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 04:30, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I want to learn about article deletion is that I don't make an article that will deleted or PROD for deletion. WAYNESLAM 14:35, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)The article that you are working on is notable, and shouldn't be deleted (unless something weird happens) because of the standards of nobility for drivers. Nascar1996 14:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Nascar's right. If you want, I could copy edit the article before you release it into the mainspace. By the way, are you ready to have the article moved to the mainspace? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Not yet. I want to make it a DYK article and it needs to larger. You could copy edit it. WAYNESLAM 15:02, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Just remember that for DYK it doesn't have to be a large article, the most recent one that I was involved in was Jason Ratcliff. Nascar1996 15:07, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Can it at least have enough information like Jason Ratcliff to make it a DYK article? WAYNESLAM 15:10, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

According to this tool, your article is currently 1,320 characters long. It needs to be at least 1,500 for DYK, so it only has to be slightly longer in order to qualify. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:12, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

It does. It doesn't need to be a large article in order for it to be a DYK article. I believe I can still nominate it for DYK even though Nascar1996 helped me. WAYNESLAM 15:15, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You can, as long as you are the one that initially created the article. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I was the one who created it. WAYNESLAM 15:19, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find more references to expand the article. I'm searching for some personal life information, but I haven't been able to fing any. Nascar1996 15:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. WAYNESLAM 15:23, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I couldn't find any more of them, so I tried to expand the article based on the references. Sorry, that I couldn't do more. Nascar1996 15:37, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I've copy edited the article, and it's up to 1,409 characters now. We just need a little more information to qualify this article for DYK. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:40, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

What about now? Nascar1996 15:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

It's at 1,566 characters now. We're good to go. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 15:51, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I've now moved it. I need help with the nomination part. WAYNESLAM 16:14, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

I've nominated it. It may take a few days to be reviewed. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 17:24, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WAYNESLAM 18:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Trout

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

You have been trouted for not reading the note in the nomination of Gimmie danger's RFA. (You used the word him instead of they) Keep up the good copy-editing work though! :) →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 00:15, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WAYNESLAM 00:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Wayne Slam. You have new messages at Usb10's talk page.
Message added 01:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Usb10 ^{plug me in} 01:51, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Problems with DYK

See here; the source that you have provided in John Graham (racing driver) is unreliable, and needs to be replaced as soon as possible. I don't have any sources about racing-related articles readily available, so you need to try and find a more reliable source. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:48, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Nascar1996 will need to be contacted about this. Will you let him know on his talk page? WAYNESLAM 23:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Will do. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:50, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

By the way, how am I doing? WAYNESLAM 23:56, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

In what field? Article creation? The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 23:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Vandal fighting. WAYNESLAM 23:59, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You're doing alright, although you still need more experience before you can get rollback back. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:03, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

How much? WAYNESLAM 00:04, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

It depends on how well you do and whether or not you have another conflict. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:07, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I won't. With the help of you, that won't happen again. You can still help me even with rollback and Huggle. WAYNESLAM 00:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Wayne, keep in mind that you probably won't get rollback or Twinkle back for a while, even if you do well fighting vandalism with the undo button. When that time does come, however, I will continue to help you. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:11, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. WAYNESLAM 00:12, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

My feelings against the reference is that it is correct, and reliable. I would have chose other references if they were available. Sorry. Also, I will see if you can yet create another article that will have more references. Nascar1996 00:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't think that anything would wrong with the article. How about I create this one? WAYNESLAM 00:19, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Past drivers are harder to find references for. How about Kenny Francis? Nascar1996 00:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure. WAYNESLAM 00:26, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I have an idea. Why don't you go to your local library and look for sources there? Book sources are usually more reliable than Internet sources. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:28, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I found two references that I'm sure that will work for the article, along with two others that I have yet to read. To respond for Utahraptor's idea, I never go to the library. I'm too busy. Nascar1996 00:30, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I don't go to library very often. I go if I need some help with work that my parents don't get or I find it on the Internet. By the way it's here. WAYNESLAM 00:32, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I go to the library every once in a while. Like I said, books are usually more reliable than Internet sources. You might want to ask your parents if you can go to the library. However, it's your choice. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought references were always links. I don't have time to go to library. I only go if it's important such as a project that my parents don't understand or homework that my parents don't understand. WAYNESLAM 00:38, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

There can be offline references. See Silver Reef, Utah; this is a Good article that's backed up by many offline references. Whenever you go to the library again, remember to look for sources for your articles. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 00:40, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll see if I chance. WAYNESLAM 00:42, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Article will be referenced by three sources. However, one of them this might not be notable. Any suggestions? The article will mostly be sourced by [2], with some information sourced by [3]. The other reference, I am worried it will expire. Nascar1996 02:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think you should put all the references that you mentioned that won't expire. WAYNESLAM 02:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

The article is turing out quite well. However, I will finish the article tomorrow, so do not nominate it. Nascar1996 03:02, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Nevermind, the article is ready now. Nascar1996 03:33, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi Wayne! I took a two-second peek at User:Wayne Slam/Kenny Francis and noticed that you used {{Infobox person}}. Wouldn’t {{Infobox racing driver}} be better? Also, if you do go to the library, then you could use the periodical (i.e., magazine and newspaper) indexes to find scores of articles on your driver that you could then use in your wikiarticles. You do not have to provide weblinks so long as you provide full citations. Even when you have a link, like at User:Wayne Slam/Kenny Francis#References, you still need to provide a full citation and not just a bare link. So for instance, when you cite a magazine, you need to include the information listed here under Journal articles. Take a look at Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners (shortcut ? WP:REFBEGIN) and Wikipedia:Citing sources (shortcut ? WP:CITE). Have fun! — SpikeToronto 06:35, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

No it shouldn't. He was never a NASCAR driver, only driving go-karts. Spike, I haven;t run REFLINKS yet, but it could have still be created. Nascar1996 12:23, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Nascar1996, the documentation suggests that {{Infobox racing driver}} is not just for NASCAR racers. If you scroll down, there are variations for non-NASCAR racers, etc. For instance:

---

For active drivers without current employment, especially if they have no participations in a notable championship:

{{Infobox racing driver
| name              = <!-- leave empty if it is below another infobox -->
| image             = 
| pixels            = <!-- defaults to 180px unless a value is entered -->
| caption           = 
| nationality       = 
| date of birth     = {{Birth date and age|yyyy|m|d}}
| place of birth    = 
| related to        = <!-- list of notable relatives with line breaks --> 
| prev series       = <!-- previous series with line breaks -->
| prev series years = 
| titles            = <!-- championship titles -->
| title years       = 
| awards            = 
| award years       = 
}}

This infobox is used for any drivers with significant current or recent participations outside Formula One, the WRC, or NASCAR as part of an effort to streamline the range of infobox templates for motorsport articles. It is flexible enough to allow use with other templates for drivers with multi-discipline careers. See WikiProject Motorsport for more templates.

---

There is a variation for currently active drivers and another one for retired, deceased or otherwise inactive drivers, especially those who lately participated in a notable championship. Is WP:MOTOR no longer following this “protocol”? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 23:22, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I quess you could, but I still rather use the person for the crew chief. I'll change it because its not a big deal. Nascar1996 23:31, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, I would appreciate it if I would get some credit if you nominated it for DYK, such as created by Wayne Slam, expanded by Nascar1996, nominated by The Utahraptor. Nascar1996 23:47, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

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Huggle 2

Hi, did you tested the changes in config you made? I am not sure if they may work. I think it use the default template for new reasons you added. Anyway I will make several improvements so it would more changeable. Petrb (talk) 09:20, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

No, I did not since I do not have rollback. Huggle2 requires rollback just like Huggle does. I think you should put the settings like Huggle's, if not better. WAYNESLAM 14:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

You can try it on test wiki, anyway if you want rollback you may get it. Petrb (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

There was a discussion at WP:ANI recently, and Wayne's rollback was revoked. I was chosen to be his mentor, and I am the one that decides when Wayne is ready for rollback again. He's not ready yet, but he may be ready sometime in the future. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 14:58, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

What do you think, Utahraptor, of Wayne having rollback on test.wiki only so that he can test his programming changes? Just an idea … — SpikeToronto 06:18, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I think it'd be OK, but we'd have to ask an admin to make the final decision. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:13, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I would have to create an account in order for that to happen. Could I still use this account on that wiki? WAYNESLAM 17:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)You should be. Just go to the wiki while logged in here. It should show up like it does here, except you'll have to create everything. Nascar1996 17:10, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I took a look at it and I was not logged in there. I don't know why that happpened. WAYNESLAM 17:11, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Then log in there with the same username and password. Nascar1996 17:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I logged in and that name doesn't exist on test.wiki. Do I have to create an account over there? WAYNESLAM 17:13, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Like does all the links at the right hand corner appear red, or will it let you edit? If they are red is because they haven't been created. Nascar1996 17:17, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't exist on test.wiki and it doesn't let log in with this account. It says check your spelling or create a new account. WAYNESLAM 17:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You could unify your account so that you can log in to any WMF project without having to create a new username (see here and here). Not sure how long it will take for you to unify to TestWP, though it took me ~3 months to do that... I'd try unification first anyway, though if it looks to take that long for you to unify to TestWP, you might want to go ahead and create an account there manually. --Dylan620 ^{(t • c • r)} 17:51, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It's now successfully unified. I tried logging in and it still didn't let me. Why do you have to create an account and start from scratch instead of using your WP account? WAYNESLAM 17:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

What error you get? I am sysop on test. Petrb (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I unified my account but test wiki don't let me log in. It says check your spelling or create a new account. WAYNESLAM 18:04, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

SUL say that your account is not global. Petrb (talk) 18:05, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I tried to unify my account twice and I don't know what's wrong. Now it's ready. What do I do now that I'm ready? WAYNESLAM 18:09, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Huggle2

The new version of Huggle seems peppier than the old one; the pages load faster and it did not crash at all. Some of the edit summaries were not so good, so I customised them. --Diannaa ^(Talk) 00:34, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

That's good news. It must be an improved and better version of Huggle. WAYNESLAM 00:40, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

It’ll be great if it’s faster! As for edit summaries, I already have a slew of customized ones that I use in Huggle 0.9.11. So long as I can still use them in Huggle2, I’ll be happy. Actually, there has been some talk over at the HG2 talk page to get HG and HG2 merged, rather than having two separate projects. I had been hoping for this. — SpikeToronto 06:39, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

HG and HG2 are now merged. Please see the downloads page for v2.1.0 [= ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 17:49, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Will the summary be used as HG or HG2? WAYNESLAM 17:58, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

HG ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:06, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. WAYNESLAM 18:08, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Your Huggle config edits

Hi Wayne! My friend, why are you continuing to make changes to the Huggle configuration files on the English Wikipedia? That is not supposed to be your focus these days.

If you are doing work on the test.wiki, and that leads to a change that you think needs to be made on the main project, you should contact either User:Petrb or User:Addshore and let one of them make whatever changes may be necessary, instead of making them yourself (especially since you are unable to test them on en.wiki.). And, since you are not having much luck getting into the test.wiki (see above), I suspect that the changes you’re making here you haven’t tested there either.

Continuing to deal with Huggle, now that you no longer have access to it and are unable to use it yourself, is only going to serve to distract you from the things your mentor wants you working on. You have really been progressing in the areas in which your mentor is guiding and directing you. Stay focussed. Don’t fall back into the Hugglediction. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 23:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

I made the change to make it look similar to the HG summary. I'm just trying to make it better for the people who do have Huggle. There's not a lot of vandalism on the test.wiki. I won't let it distract me. I will. I won't get back into Hugglediction. Do you mind if I could still use test.wiki's Huggle? WAYNESLAM 23:52, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It’s not really whether I mind, it’s whether your mentor minds. But remember, the more time you spend over on the test.wiki working with Huggle, reverting vandalism on articles that don’t really exist, the less time you spend over here creating content and working on real articles that require your copy editing attention. You might want to give the essay, Wikipedia:Vandalism does not matter (shortcut → WP:SIEGE) a read. In a nushell, it says:

Thanks to the efforts of vandal-fighters, blatant vandalism is less of a hindrance to the project than it once was. We should be wary of giving it too much importance to the neglect of other concerns.

Those other concerns are the very things you have been doing with your mentor: content creation and copy editing. Any work on the test wiki regarding Huggle development takes you away from those and other tasks. Once one is a recovering Huggleaholic, it’s easy to fall off the wagon again. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 00:23, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) He was told, or suggested to by his mentor. To see what he thinks should be reverted, similar to practicing vandal fighting. Nascar1996 00:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

@SpikeToronto:Oh, I see. So I must stay doing what I got to do is create articles which is something I can't do on my own because it could be deleted and new page patrolling. One of the articles I created I want it to be my DYK. Please see this section for more details. @Nascar1996: He told me to revert vandalism using the undo button. WAYNESLAM 00:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

They suggested test wiki, though. Nascar1996 00:41, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I've made five edits to test wiki and none was a vandalism revert. Test wiki doesn't have a lot of articles. WAYNESLAM 00:56, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Wayne, you need to be more confident in your articles. As long as they are well-sourced, you don't have to worry about CSDers tagging the page for speedy deletion. And for now, I think you should return to article creation. I'll let you know when I think you're ready to resume your testing on the test wiki. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Utahraptor, I'll be confident in my articles. I don't know what references I should use. One of my articles were PRODed at one time but it wasn't deleted. Also, my current article hasn't been nominated for DYK. WAYNESLAM 01:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Let me teach you how to nominate an article for DYK. First, you go to T:TDYK. Go to the section entitled "How to list a new nomination," and pick the appropriate template. Next, you choose what day your article was created or expanded in the table of contents. Finally, you add the nomination, think of a hook that will interest readers, and click "save page." Once you get the hang of it, it's not very difficult. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:16, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't know what the hook would be. One time, I tried to nominate an article for a DYK but it wasn't close to a DYK. I just nominated an article for DYK. WAYNESLAM 01:18, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The article that you provided a link to is too short. That's probably why it was not accepted. An article has to be at least 1,500 characters long to qualify for DYK. This is a tool that is used to find out how many characters are in an article. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 01:30, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I nominated it as an expanded article. I did not create that article. WAYNESLAM 01:32, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Kenny Francis would be the best article that you created to nominate for DYK. Nascar1996 02:00, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I already nominated it but I have to wait to see if it's successful. WAYNESLAM 02:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Just a quick note, the edit in the config was fine. ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 18:01, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Addshore, it’s not whether the edit was fine; I could see that it was okay from the revision history. It’s that at ANI Wayne agreed to stay away from Huggle on the English Wikipedia until his mentor decides he’s ready again for rollback. Since he lost rollback, Wayne has been working in all sorts of new areas here at WP, learning about content creation, copy editing, DYK, categories, welcoming new members, etc., and progressing quite well. This string was never about the correctness of the edit. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 19:26, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Ahhh, I see. I read everything above but some how I missed that! Thanks! ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 22:12, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

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Your welcome and this is your first edit to my talk page. :) WAYNESLAM 03:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

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Email

Didn't you have a problem with this? If so, I would consider you trying see if you can get it to work. Nascar1996 00:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I sent an email confirmation. WAYNESLAM 00:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, maybe it will work. Nascar1996 00:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

My email address is still not working. WAYNESLAM 02:05, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have Yahoo!, and what type of internet do you have. (Google Chrome, Firefox, etc?) Nascar1996 02:07, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Firefox. WAYNESLAM 02:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I have internet explorer. You may want to contact someone else if you would like to use email. Also, on your DYK nomination, you need to write his full name out, and bold it. Nascar1996 02:10, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

I've now fixed that part on the DYK nomination but I don't know who else to contact if I would like to use email. WAYNESLAM 02:15, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

When I have problems on Wikipedia, from viruses to editing, I go to the WP:Help desk. Nascar1996 02:17, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, but I sent them a message. WAYNESLAM 02:20, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

You better watch it for replys. Nascar1996 02:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

 Done. WAYNESLAM 02:38, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you still want to create the race articles? Nascar1996 02:45, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but I want all of them to be DYK articles. WAYNESLAM 20:31, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

So you want to create ALL of them? If so, thats fine. We will just have to create them right before the race. Also, do you mind if I create some to? Nascar1996 20:33, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind if you could create some too. I think they need pictures, too. WAYNESLAM 20:37, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I know about the pictures, but we can only use the ones on Wikipedia, since there are very few that we can get. --Nascar1996 20:39, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. WAYNESLAM 20:51, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Have you considered making a new email account? All types of emails should have a spam folder, but which email provider do you have? (MSN, Yahoo!, Google?) Nascar1996 21:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't have one. WAYNESLAM 21:06, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

You don't have a email address? Nascar1996 21:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

No, but I do have an email address for other stuff. WAYNESLAM 21:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Create a second email address exclusively for wikipedia. If you are using Yahoo!, under MAIL OPTIONS, you can create a Disposable Email Address in which you make it something like wayneslam-wikipedia@yahoo.com or just wayneslam@yahoo.com. Whatever company you are using for your email, you can probably create a second account just for Wikipedia. Good luck! — SpikeToronto 21:56, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

That's what I did. I created theutahraptorwiki@gmail.com to be used as my Wikipedia email address. You could probably do something similar. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 22:10, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. I also did the same, but mine is nascar1996wiki@yahoo.com. Nascar1996 22:34, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion but I don't use Yahoo!. I have a Facebook email. Could I use that? WAYNESLAM 03:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That is an email address. Were you looking on Facebook for the confirmation code? If so, you have to login to your email address (it says email when you log on....thats your email address. Nascar1996 03:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

You still might want to have a separate email address for Wikipedia to protect both your indentity and your privacy. And, it does not have to be at the same place. While you are currently using Facebook email (who knew they had such a thing?! I didn’t!), you can use any other provider for your Wikipedia email (e.g., Yahoo, Google, MSN, Hotmail, etc.). It does not have to be at the same place as your regular email. — SpikeToronto 06:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Facebook doesn't have an email, I believe he was talking about his log in email. I have a Facebook account. Nascar1996 15:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Of course, my Facebook name is my real name which I can't tell anybody which is because of WP:CHILD and I have to protect my privacy. So, when I use my email on Yahoo! will any one of you guys even send me a message on there if I make an account there? WAYNESLAM 15:55, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Since I'm your mentor, I'd probably email you from time to time. And I'm sure that users will send private messages to you through email. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I probably won't receive them since I can't reply because I can't email. WAYNESLAM 16:04, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

When you sign with Yahoo, its farely easy. First you have to go to your mail, click on it, then there should be a reply button to reply. The log on method is similar to how you log on to Facebook. Do you know how to create a Yahoo account? Nascar1996 16:36, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, that's where I created my Facebook email address with Aim. WAYNESLAM 16:48, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Is that the email address you sent the confirmation to? If so, log in to that. (If you forgot your password they should have a code or something to go in to it. Nascar1996 17:17, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

That's the place where I made an email address that I use on Facebook. WAYNESLAM 17:22, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay...is that the email address in your preferences? If so, go to AIM, and log on to it, try your facebook password to log on. If that doesn't work, try to figure out your other password. If you sent it to that email, it would say confirmation, click it, then click on the first link. It will say it has been confirmed. Just remember you have to log on to that, not facebook to get your email. Nascar1996 17:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

No. I can't use my facebook email because my real name is in there. WAYNESLAM 17:47, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

You can remove it like I did. Now my old one just says Nascar1996. I forgot about it, and the people who sent me emails, they knew it, but I trusted them. Nascar1996 17:58, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Why would you use your Wikipedia name for your Facebook email? WAYNESLAM 18:00, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't. Inside the email address, you can put a name, I changed the name. I also have my email hidden from Facebook. Nascar1996 18:03, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Me neither. Okay. Do you have any Wikipedians as friends on Facebook? WAYNESLAM 18:05, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

No. Have you figured it out yet? Nascar1996 18:13, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Nope. WAYNESLAM 18:16, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Wayne, follow this link. It will take you to a page at Yahoo! where you can create a brand spanking new Yahoo! account for your Wikipedia e-mail. Let me know if you have any problems. By the way, do you IRC? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 23:43, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I would have to put my birthday in there. I don't IRC. WAYNESLAM 23:49, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you would have to put your birthdate in there. Is that a problem? Only the Yahoo! system will know your birthdate; the Wikipedia system will not get that info.

Also, where it says First name, enter Wayne. Where is says Last name, enter Slam. Where it says Yahoo! ID and Email, type wayneslam. The rest you should be able to do okay on your own.

The reason I asked if you used IRC was that I could help you do it live where you would have one window open at the Yahoo! registration screen and another window open in IRC with me there to answer any questions. But, if you fill in the fields as I suggest above, you should be okay. If you have any more questions before you fill in the form, just ask them here and I’ll answer them. Okay? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 01:19, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't want to people to see it. Another problem is, Wayne Slam is not my real name. It's my Wikipedian name, Spike. WAYNESLAM 01:22, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't think people will see your birthdate. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 01:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

They can't due to it's private. Why would I use my Wikipedian name A.K.A. username on my Yahoo! account away from Wikipedia? If I was able to email, this wouldn't happen. I don't Wikipedia users would email me on Yahoo! WAYNESLAM 01:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, don't get too crazy over the WP:CHILD. Email is outside Wikipedia....it doesn't really matter anyway, as long as the information IS NOT on here. Nascar1996 02:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I don't know if any editor will email me on Yahoo!. WAYNESLAM 03:39, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Convenience break

I think you are misunderstanding this entire discourse, Wayne. We are not advising you on how to set up an email account to handle all of your electronic correspondence. You can do that on your own using whatever email name/address you want. What we are tying to do is help you to set up an email account that is for Wikipedia correspondence only. Then, for example, Wikipedians can communicate with you privately on things of a sensitive nature, or whatever, and leave you a you’ve-got-mail notification here on your talk page. You’ll recall that your mentor said above that it might, sometimes, be best for him to communicate with you offwiki on mentorship matters. Also, others of us only started trying to help you on this because above (way above!) you said you couldn’t get it to work. I, for one, am not encouraging, nor discouraging, you to make yourself email accessible to other Wikipedians. That’s up to you.

Anyway, I think that the reason that Yahoo! wants your birthdate, is that they have their own equivalent to a WP:CHILD policy. By filling out the field truthfully it adds extra safeguards to your account until you turn 18 … or at least I think it does. Also, I am almost certain that your birthdate is hidden from others. However, if you want to be 100% certain, once you create the account, you can go into your preferences/options at Yahoo! and make sure that everything is kept hidden. — SpikeToronto 03:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I know how to do that but I concerned whether I should use my real name or my username as my name on Yahoo! for Wikipedia usage. I don't want people to think that I changed my name. I understand what you're saying, Spike. WAYNESLAM 16:03, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

You don't have to use your real name in your Wikipedia email, Wayne. You could do something like wayneslam@yahoo.com or waynewiki@yahoo.com. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:27, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I see, Utahraptor. So, is your Yahoo! name The Utahraptor, or your real name? WAYNESLAM 16:29, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

I actually have a Gmail email address called theutahraptorwiki@gmail.com. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:33, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. So in the name columns where it says first name, can I put Wayne, and in the second column where it says last name, can I add Slam instead of my real first name and last name? WAYNESLAM 16:35, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that's fine. The Utahraptor^Talk/_Contribs 16:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Like I said above … — SpikeToronto 20:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. What's the postal code? WAYNESLAM 16:38, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Postal code Nascar1996 16:43, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Also known as zip code. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 16:44, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, zip code. WAYNESLAM 16:45, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

It probably said postal code because I’m here in Canada and it probably detected that from my IP address, and I am the one that gave you the URL. Be sure to change the country to United States! — SpikeToronto 20:24, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

The country says United States. WAYNESLAM 20:25, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Seems like you have a new email address. Have you tried the confirmation yet? Nascar1996 04:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Setting email up on Wikipedia

Once you have a Wikipedia account over at Yahoo!, you then have to get it set up to work here. Do the following:

Preferences:

• Go to Special:Preferences
• Go to the User profile tab
• Scroll down to E-mail options
• At E-mail (optional), enter your new email address (for example: wayneslam@yahoo.com).
• the box labelled Enable e-mail from other users
• the box labelled Send me copies of e-mails I send to other users
• Press the Save button

Confirmation:

• You should receive an email at the email address that you entered in your Wikipedia preferences.
• There will most likely be a link contained within the email that you must click on. This responds to Wikipedia and confirms that the email address is correct.
• If all goes to plan, you should now be set up. If not,
• Go to Help:Email confirmation and follow the instructions there.

Good luck! — SpikeToronto 08:24, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! WAYNESLAM 15:02, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Let us know how you make out! — SpikeToronto 22:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay! WAYNESLAM 22:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Email now created

It's now created. WAYNESLAM 22:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Did you confirm the account? I don't see a "E-mail this user" link on your talk page. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 22:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Was just about to say that! When I tried to send a test message with Special:EmailUser/Wayne Slam, I got the following error message:

This user has not specified a valid e-mail address.

That usually means your email address is not confirmed. — SpikeToronto 22:31, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I sent an email confirmation. I still can't email. Can I delete my Yahoo! email? It's just not working. WAYNESLAM 22:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

So what happened after you clicked on the link from the confirmation e-mail (from Wikipedia)? →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 22:49, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

It said email confirmation sent and nothing else happened after that. WAYNESLAM 23:18, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Wayne, you have to go to your "Yahoo!" e-mail inbox and click the confirmation link from the e-mail. →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 23:26, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't see it there. I just received a welcome message. WAYNESLAM 23:34, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I assume you checked your spam folder also (If Yahoo has one) →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 23:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

In addition to the Spam folder, check the Inbox. At Yahoo there’s also a Check Mail button that takes you into your inbox. — SpikeToronto 23:43, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

I looked and there aren't any other emails. WAYNESLAM 23:46, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Well your not doing something correctly. Just a couple days ago I created my brand new Yahoo account for this. Once I logged on it was already there. Nascar1996 23:53, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

Furthermore, you can resend it by clicking reconfirm at the first page of your preferences. Make sure that your email address it in the slot above it, and that you enabled users to send you emails. Once reconfirming it, you should recieve a confirmation email that says the following:

Title: Wikipedia e-mail address confirmation

Someone from the IP address (your IP address) has registered the account "Wayne Slam" with this e-mail address on the English Wikipedia.

To confirm that this user account really does belong to you and to activate e-mail features on Wikipedia, please open this URL in your browser:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ConfirmEmail/63946c7c740c56ee38e59200a7908b19 (url may not be correct)

If you did not recently register for Wikipedia (or if you registered with a different e-mail address), click the following link to cancel the confirmation:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Invalidateemail/63946c7c740c56ee38e59200a7908b19 (url may not be correct)

This confirmation e-mail will automatically expire at (what ever time).

~Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org

Nascar1996 00:03, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I might have put in the wrong email address in my preferences. I have changed that and sent the email confirmation. WAYNESLAM 00:40, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, have you tried to confirm it yet? Nascar1996 00:59, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I have but it still won't let me email. WAYNESLAM 01:01, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Do you have it enabled in your preferences? Nascar1996 01:07, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It is checked on the first one on the bottom but it doesn't let me email. WAYNESLAM 01:11, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Once you got the confirmation email, did you click the first link? Nascar1996 01:12, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I didn't get it is that I sent a confirmation and it still didn't work. WAYNESLAM 01:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The only way, is to let someone else try to send it to you. Such as you send them (by their emails above) your password, and email address with your account and see if we can figure whats wrong. Nascar1996 01:19, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Plus nothing is happening on Yahoo! too. WAYNESLAM 01:20, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Did you look for it in your inbox? Nascar1996 01:23, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I did earlier and nothing happened. WAYNESLAM 01:25, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

After you sent the new one? Nascar1996 01:26, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

After I sent a couple which includes the new one. I still didn't receive anything after the times I sent a confimation. I look once. Nothing still appeared all the time I sent a confirmation. WAYNESLAM 01:29, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Wayne, do you have any friends at school who edit on Wikipedia? If so, one of them may have already done this and could sit down at a computer and take you through the process. Would that be possible? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 01:30, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Nobody I know in my school uses Wikipedia, Spike. WAYNESLAM 01:32, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

I give up. Good luck working on your email account. Nascar1996 01:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

It still won't work. WAYNESLAM 01:34, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Someone on #wikipedia-en-help ^connect may be able to help but I doubt it. Click the connect button to enter the channel. (I'm already there) →♠Gƒoley↔Four♣← 02:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

If you cannot get it done with one of us in IRC, I have only one more suggestion, and it’s essentially what Nascar said above. Choose one of us that you trust, perhaps your mentor (Special:EmailUser/The Utahraptor), email the chosen person through the Wikipedia system, and provide them the following:

• Wikipedia password
• Yahoo account ID
• Yahoo password.

As soon as the chosen one finishes setting it all up, s/he will leave a message here on your talk page, having logged out of both systems (i.e., Wikipedia and Yahoo!). You will log into each one and immediately change your password, being sure to carefully note down the new password on both systems. How does that sound? Thanks! — SpikeToronto 05:46, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

 NOTE:  It just occurred to me that, because you are not set up on Wikipedia to receive email, the Wikipedia system may not let you send email since it will have no email address to provide the recipient for responding. If that turns out to be the case, then you will have to use your new Yahoo! email address to send the chosen person the information directly to his email address. If you scroll back up, you’ll see that your mentor already gave you his email address (theutahraptorwiki@gmail.com), as did Nascar (nascar1996wiki@yahoo.com). Good luck! — SpikeToronto 06:00, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

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Hey Wayne! Apparently, even I can make a mistake reverting vandalism, albeit it rare, of course! ( ← He says tongue planted firmly in cheek …) Who would’ve thunk it?! (See here.) — SpikeToronto 21:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, everybody does make mistakes. WAYNESLAM 17:15, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Block Templates

Hey Wayne! I notice that, with this edit, you added the template {{uw-block}} to User talk:92.75.114.160. Next time you add a block notice to an IP talk page, you might want to give the template {{uw-ablock}} a try. It specifically addresses anonymous editors. Keep up the good work! Thanks! — SpikeToronto 06:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will. Thanks for letting me know! WAYNESLAM 17:13, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

It's generally not a good idea for non-admins to be using block templates. Unless, of course, it looks like a shared IP, in which case it might be useful to use {{subst:anonblock}} or {{subst:schoolblock}}. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I see another non-admin who sometimes uses block templates but he uses a custom template which means you put a reason for the block. WAYNESLAM 17:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Well block templates are supposed to be for admin use only, so with the exception of the informational block templates for shared IPs, it's really not a good idea to be using them. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:23, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Oh, okay. WAYNESLAM 17:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I think HJM has a point. I myself would not have put a block template on that IP’s talk page. I have, rarely, put a notice on a registered account that had been blocked indefinitely, say a sockpuppeting block notice where no signature is required to be appended to the notice, and I indicate in the edit summary the blocking admin, block log, and SPI (example) and/or sock list (example).

Generally, it would be a good idea just to leave a note on the blocking admin’s talk page asking him/her to do it. I only left the note that started this string because I assumed that someone you were working with had told you it was okay. However, when a non-admin places the block notice, his/her signature appended to the notice makes it look as if s/he were the blocking admin, which, of course, was not the case. It could be confusing for the editor blocked. Thanks! — SpikeToronto 19:10, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Neil Riordan's Wikipedia Article

I do not believe it is vandalism to preface Neil Riordan's title as inventor and entrepreneur with unverified and illegitimate, because he has not been legitimized, and his practices have not been verified. This is most evident by the fact that his daughter wrote his entry, and MOST information lacks citations, and the citations that ARE offered are marked UNVERIFIED.

I'm simply reiterating on his page what Wikipedia editors have already stated behind the scenes. Please allow this edit to be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.191.58 (talk) 22:37, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You can go ahead and make that edit since you explained it here. WAYNESLAM 22:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not sure if I am replying correctly, but edit made, thank you very much. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.191.58 (talk) 22:40, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

You're* welcome. WAYNESLAM 22:42, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

FTFY. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.191.58 (talk) 22:44, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, you shouldn't edit other people's comments without asking unless if it's your talk page. WAYNESLAM 22:51, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Okei. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.18.191.58 (talk) 22:56, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

kk i wont change it from Lil to Lil' anymore but in the albums its always written as Lil' Wayne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gpath1k (talk • contribs) 07:57, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

You should write it as how the Wikipedia article names it. WAYNESLAM 20:44, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

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Not sure which vandal you mean, but ...

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JamesBWatson (talk) 20:50, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

The vandal from the Peafowl that you revert from. It was the most recent vandal from that article. WayneSlam 20:53, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Right. I was dealing with a whole string of vandals, so it wasn't clear. Of course, it doesn't really matter which one it was: thanks anyway for showing appreciation. JamesBWatson (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Your welcome. WayneSlam 21:23, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

J. D. McDuffie

I notice that you added the photo that I added of his race car to the infobox. I've had several people complain that he is not a race car but a person. I actually agreed when I heard this suggestion. I'll leave it alone, you can change it back if you want. Royalbroil 07:18, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

There was an article that had a picture of a race car in the infobox of a person. WayneSlam 19:35, 29 January 2011 (UTC)