User talk:WaltCip/Archives/2022/November

You and I have no outstanding issues

It's not enough for me to apologize. I want to thank you for holding me accountable when I say something unimpressive. That's a sign of friendship, and I appreciate that you care enough to speak bluntly. I still carry a number of resentments about how portals were methodically and tactically removed from pedia viewership (such as it was), and I especially resent how a number of users leading that successful push have been since blocked or otherwise sanctioned, yet the damage is done (such as it is). The use of a SPA attempting to partially cleanse the Arbcom record to the public seemed of a part with that effort and raised my hackles. So it's zero consolation to me that my suspicions were correct and the SPA blocked. The work continues, methodically and tactically. BusterD (talk) 23:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Re: Your opinion?

Hello, WaltCip. Regarding this message on my talk page (I'm a bit puzzled why you removed it a minute after posting it), I must say that the userpage of JRSpriggs seems to me like a "perfect storm" of breaching WP:NOTWEBHOST, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:UPNOT and WP:POLEMIC. I have no idea how it survived your MfD nomination to delete it back in 2011, but if its nominated today, I know what my vote would be (and I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't be alone in voting that way). — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 22:26, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Good to know, thanks. I don't feel like I could renominate it, because I'm playing the heel right now when it comes to all of this userspace MfD business (in the sense that my current viewpoints now align with keeping over deleting), and I'd come across as hypocritical to do it now. But I wouldn't oppose your efforts. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 22:46, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

 Done – I just nominated it. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 23:04, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Even if we disagree on things, I must say I admire your adherence to your principles. But I do think you're going to be in for a struggle on this particular one. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 00:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Well, thank you. I must say that I can get very stubborn, when it comes to adhering to my principles (which can be described as deletionism, in its broad sense). Of course, my views can change over time, same as with any other living person I guess... And, I see every MfD nomination as something that is "handed over" to consensus of editors for their judgement, not as some kind of a struggle. I can accept whatever that consensus decide to do with my nomination. Nothing more, nothing less than that. I don't see all of that as some kind of "vanity playground", really. — Sundostund mppria ^{(talk / contribs)} 01:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Apersion

Hey Walt, I saw that you were casting wild aspersions about me regarding a diff you linked. Please put forward any evidence you have or strike your comment. I really thought you were one of the good ones that would treat me like i was a human as per our engagement well after that comment. Well, thank you for showing me i was wrong. Ip editor bad by defaut because someone with a named account did something. As per usual. 85.16.47.145 (talk) 00:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

It was a dumb remark, it was a stupid remark, I struck it, and I apologize. I can't do anything about how you feel about me, but I am sorry for casting that aspersion, and you are right to be pissed off and disappointed. Have a good evening. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 01:16, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

No worries, no hard feelings. It was surprising news, and we all can easily get ahead of ourselves in cases like this. I do understand. Anyway, thank you. I hope you can at least understand where some of that frustration comes from for me when stuff like this happens. But seriously, thank you. And as a small aside. If you really want to get a little 'nosey' with IP editors, to establish if there is a pattern for a person for a variable IP and the like. There is a little button on the bottom leftish corner of the contributions page of every IP editor called 'geolocate'. It is not exact by any means, thank goodness, but it will give country and closish location within. So if you did that for me, you could see that i reside in Lower Saxony, Germany. Would give a town 20 miles away from me though. And as i would not physically move house to edit Wiki, that rough region would stay a constant. For me and practically every other IP that does not undertake underhanded methods to disguise their physical location that is. Easy way to keep track of a handful of people if you can remember their location and then double check if it is them. Anyway, thank you and i hope i wasnt being an ass over this. Was laying in bed and just browsed the notice boards. Nearly fell out of said bed when i saw a comment of mine hahaha. And yes i did geolocate myself to double check if that actually was me. But i was very sure to have written that anyway. And i will freely admit, not the best probably. But given the user in question got cbanned for what i mentioned in that post, i don't really feel like i was wrong doing it. 85.16.46.255 (talk) 01:43, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

I totally understand. I appreciate the advice regarding geolocation. No, you weren't being ass, your response was completely valid given the circumstances as I was casting an aspersion, even if at the time I may not have had the foresight to realize that. And in retrospect, you are likely right about the CBANned user as well.--🌈WaltCip-(talk) 01:42, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Regardless if i was right, there are places to talk about that. And ITN talk is not the place to do it. Simple as really. Nobody is perfect and sometimes life gets the better of us so we do things that are... suboptimal. But anyway, it is nice that this could be sorted the way it did. Have a good rest of your day. 85.16.46.255 (talk) 01:58, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh, and one last thing. Someone will surely run a CU for me over this. How can anyone find a noticeboard that is literally three clicks away from the main page, right? My point being, if you just check the contribs of this IP in a few days, or hours even, and see that it remains unblocked, you can tell i was being honest. There is a german idiom, 'trust is good, control is better'. A very german idiom *shudders*... But still, i could lie my behind off here, but you can easily double check if i was or not given the consequences for me, or lack of them. Anyway, have a good one. 85.16.46.255 (talk) 02:17, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

"that RFC"

I'm wondering what was meant by this comment in a current MfD. I'm totally open to discussing MfD noms on userpages lately. To what pending process were you referring? Has there been discussion I've missed? BusterD (talk) 03:41, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

@BusterD: I forgot to get back to you. Here's the relevant conversation that I started at the Village Pump. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 18:59, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Your comment on AN/I

"I hope someday we can steer the culture of Wikipedia away from this old-fashioned notion that people are allowed to be persistently uncivil or combative if they have shown a history of good/decent contributions."

A noble thought - but what, actually, are we here for, to create a model online community, or to improve an online encyclopedia for the English-speaking world? I would suggest the latter, and while it's obviously easier to do so when people are collegial and cooperative with each other, there's nothing wrong with keeping our purpose in mind and forgiving a minor amount of friction until it starts getting in the way of the mission. Best, Beyond My Ken (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for commenting on my comment, Beyond My Ken. I understand your opinion, and in several aspects, I think I can even find areas within which to agree. I recognize that the process of building an encyclopedia requires that occasionally we need to veer into firm, direct, or even coarse language in order to get our points across. After all, WP:CPUSH exists; civility can often be weaponized in order to win an argument.

Now that being said, I do not believe the discourse displayed within that thread by Kitchen Knife was at all justified by their contributions, a Brit though he may be and thus perhaps more used to that style of conversation (I'm from New Zealand, so I get it). And moreover, I don't believe it's acceptable to be condescending, repeatedly refer to Wikiprojects or admins as "cliques", or refer to critique as irrational delusions or spouting nonsense after their actions were shown to be disruptive. I'll never believe that.

Perhaps we might agree in principle but not on the details, and I'm prepared to accept that fact. 🌈WaltCip-(talk) 17:39, 21 November 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, please don't take my comment as in any way attempting to justify Kitchen Knife's behavior, I'm in full agreement with the sanction in that instance. My point was more general, in response to what I thought was a generalization on your part. In my view, every situation needs to be judged on its own merits - so I think we're pretty much on the same page. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:28, 22 November 2022 (UTC)

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