User talk:Vmkern

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Self-citing

It's very poor form to add citations to your own materials in Wikipedia. It's usually impossible to tell if the edit was made in good-faith or if it's naked self-promotion. It's a clear conflict of interest and it's best to suggest or request that the material be added by posting in the article's Talk page so that other editors can evaluate the potential source and determine for themselves it will add to the article.

Additionally, it's not acceptable to edit war. After you make an edit and another editor reverts that edit, you should next open a discussion with that editor. This is summarized as "bold, revert, discuss." Please revert your last edit and open a discussion in the article's Talk page.

Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your interest and for the new (to me at least) information that "It's very poor form to add citations to your own materials in Wikipedia".

I will certainly not dispute the insertion of a reference on Wikipedia, nor will I take it to any other forum; I'm going back to the peer reviewed literature.

I find it very insulting to accuse someone of self-promotion with no argument about the quality of the reference and the context in which it was used.

"It's very poor", "it's not acceptable". I guess Jimmy Wales' succession is well under way.

Goodbye forever.

Vmkern (talk) 02:25, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This has been part of our guidelines for over a decade. In a large community of editors that is mostly anonymous and has many who are here solely to promote their company, product, or themselves, we must be cautious. The basic premise of avoiding conflicts of interest is that someone with a conflict is unlikely to be objective so it's best to ask for other editors for their own opinions and expertise. If you are unwilling to even discuss differences of opinion and prevailing guidelines, policies, and customs then perhaps this project is not for you. ElKevbo (talk) 03:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've came here again by chance, let me get this written down: I could accuse the resented policeman of bigotry against South-American scholars (who published in an international forum in the only language they understand), but I have no strong evidence for that. For the same reason, shame on whoever accuses someone of self-promotion with no regard to the content contributed, denying Wikipedia's principle of assuming good faith. I lived in the States for 2 years, 3 months and 4 days. Most people I've met were wonderful, but racism is rampant - not only among righty dumb folks, but also among sofisticated lefties. I'M FED UP WITH THAT and have nothing else to say since the article I wrote on the quality of Wikipedia as a source is in Portuguese. https://doi.org/10.1590/1981-5344/3224 Vmkern (talk) 16:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]