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Replaceable fair use Image:Google maps Banaba Kiribati.jpg

Replaceable fair use

Thanks for uploading Image:Google maps Banaba Kiribati.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that fair use images which could be replaced by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted 7 days after this notification, per our Fair Use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. VegitaU 01:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. U,

I have been on holiday for the past four days and I have arrived home to see the beautiful (non-free) aerial photograph of Banaba I previously uploaded has been deleted. I believe the rule regarding this matter states the uploader or other interested parties have seven days to accompany the media file with "fair use criteria rationale" text. I am curious as to why the rules I have come to know on Wikipedia are not always used. Also please examine the following: The free media file and the non-free media file. Thanks! -Henry W. Schmitt 22:11, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't remember what your picture was about, but it was copyrighted and probably freely replaceable. The tag I placed on the image gave you a certain amount of time to comply. Whether or not you were around or available to fix the problem isn't really relevant. The tag gives a date on its own and, after that, the admins make their decision. Bottom-line: don't add copyrighted, freely replaceable pictures to Wikipedia. I would suggest you find a free picture, or fly to Banaba and snap a few photos yourself. Also, I don't need the warning that's on your talk page. Thanks for your concern and have a wonderful wiki day!

-- VegitaU 03:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did link to both media files in my above response so I would hope you would have read all of what I wrote. Unfortunately Banaba is one of the most remote places on earth and I do not have time to travel there for any aerial photography tonight. If like me you do not enjoy reading on computer monitors and would prefer not to read the above again, I have replicated both in one convenient image on a non Wikimedia server, so my friend Jon will get the C&D from Google. Link. Be seeing you! :) -Henry W. Schmitt 04:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I would appreciate if you would reply to the above message I left you. -Henry W. Schmitt 22:51, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I didn't realize it was a question. It really doesn't matter if Banaba is really remote or if you can't go there, don't have enough money, or are too lazy. What it all boils down to is copyright issues. If your friend can get an exclusive, unrestricted right of usage here on Wikipedia, so much the better. If not, then you can't use Google images. Simple as that. -- VegitaU 23:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Image:JamestownNYSatellie.JPG

See my reply here: User talk:AMK152#August 2007. -AMK152^{(Talk • Contributions • Send message)} 00:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Google Earth Image Screencaptures

How is a google earth screen cap not considered fair use? Google Earth is a free application? I notice that there has been some modifications to what is considered fair use since I posted that image. All reasons cited for fair use were listed on that page which you or whoever deleted deleted. I don't have another copy of that jpg, and I don't have the time to go get another. Maybe someone else will put an image there. Also, perhaps if Google Earth images seems to be such a large problem, something should address the issue in fair use. It would make your job easier, but my guess is you rather enjoy your job. Megastealer 04:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Free application or not, it's not a free source of images. All screencaps and images off of Google Earth are copyrighted. Period. To use a copyrighted image fairly, you must show, through a fair use rationale, that the image is unique to the point of view you want to get across and that there are no free alternatives. This is very hard to prove with a satellite image. The image has to be so unique that a satellite photo is the only way you could get the point across and that there are no possible alternatives, including free satellite shots. Otherwise, the picture needs to be deleted. -- VegitaU

Again, let me write: I had taken a screen shot of an aerial vie of kibbutz Eyal (I think that along with an expanded info box for both kibbutzim and moshavim, an aerial shot is the best means of showing sevral things: 1. the position of the settlement in relationship to nearby villages or site, thoroughfares and major routes - my screenshot showed the postion relative to Qalqilyah and Khokhav Yair, as well as the position relative to the Eyal Interchange for Kvish 6); 2. the layout of the setllement - most readers think that all kibbutzim and moshavim are laid out in a single pattern, such as the centric pattern of the classic moshav - but this is not the case. There is no other way to properly show these points accurately without an aerial shot. But given that I used a Google screen shot, what specifically should be used to ratonalize fair use of the aerial photo? As mentionned by other contributors - Google Earth is a freely distributed software program, and the aerial and map photos are not propietary. So, please tell me how I should provide satisfactory rational for fair use (like a photograph, would you advise that it is acceptable to state that I, myslef, captured the screen shot? SZAgassi 12:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help

I appreciate your input on the Towson University article, because I'm the only one whose been editing it for the past few months. But I think it could look even better if we collaborated on the article (maybe even make a WikiProject out of it. Send me a message if you're interested. Thanks again.Thx2005 14:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Need Infobox

We need to make an infobox for all of Towson's colleges so that each of the article look more uniform.Thx2005 13:28, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use disputed for Image:Jeremy-Hector.png

Thanks for uploading Image:Jeremy-Hector.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our Criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 23:26, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use disputed for Image:JeremyDuncan.png

Thanks for uploading Image:JeremyDuncan.png. However, there is a concern that the rationale you have provided for using this image under "fair use" may be invalid. Please read the instructions at Wikipedia:Non-free content carefully, then go to the image description page and clarify why you think the image qualifies for fair use. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our Criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot 23:27, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Iraq Campaing Medal Box

Hi, I notice your Iraq Campaign Medal box, you wouldn't happen to know off hand if they've creat one for the GWOT-E?? Thanks. FLJuJitsu 00:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, for the GWOT-E it's: {{User:UBX/Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal}}. You can find more awards and decs on Wikipedia:Userboxes/Military. -- VegitaU 16:32, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Brierdene Green

After reading the message posted on Djmckee1's talkpage about Brierdene Green Image. I wouuld like to say that i supplied this image and i do not mind it being used. Thanks. Djminisite - Talk | Sign 19:17, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I had no idea what you were talking about at first…had to do some history search. Wow. You're a little late; that picture was deleted almost a month ago. And it was tagged for being replaceable, which means it was probably a Google Earth image, which was copyrighted. -- VegitaU 21:03, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Eat my Paintballs

Hello. You called an addition I made to a paintball article vandalism. I can cite sources saying that this is true. http://www.paintballforum.com/new-player-forum/81927-safe-cows-eat-paintballs.html Paintballs do not taste good, but some are safe for human consumption. Tree Hugger 07:06, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Well then, cite your sources, because adding a weighted argument like that without any citation sounds like absolute crap. Also, that "source" is nothing but a public forum. There is no verifiability or published material anywhere. It's something someone could have potentially made up. -- VegitaU 13:55, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

fair use images

Seriously, what's your deal? Did you just spin a wheel and land on me as the editor to pick on this week with the way you're tagging all of my images? Logos and album/book/magazine covers are perhaps the most common images on Wikipedia under fair use. You seem to have been here around long enough to know that, so get over it. The first few images you've tagged I let slide under WP:AGF but the more reverts I find the more I come to believe this is harassment, and I won't stand for it. I've supplied a FU rationale for every image where such rationale was requested. You are the one who's going around deleting what I wrote. Stop it. Wl219 21:09, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I needed a laugh.

But seriously, now, I think you've been here long enough to know what a fair use rationale is. Please read the policies on this and comply with them. Thanks. -- VegitaU 21:11, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

The Simpsons DVD images

The images you are tagging for deletion are also used on the individual season pages, so why should they be deleted because you think they don't belong on one page? You can't add the mass image to the individual pages. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 01:55, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Honestly, these images should be deleted as they offer no real objective value to the article. One can fully expect a reader to understand what a DVD is. There's no purpose to having this, IMO, large copyrighted image when it adds little to understanding the article. See Seinfeld DVD releases, List of The Flintstones media, List of SpongeBob SquarePants episodes, List of Futurama episodes. -- VegitaU 02:09, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

As well, the fair use rationale provided applies to two different pages, but you seem to only be disputing its rationale for one page, so why not just remove them from the DVD boxset page and allow them to remain on the individual seasons? The DVD sets are discussed in the individual season articles and thus they add the article. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 02:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

That's one hell of an indent. The reason, as I mentioned, was that the images add little or nothing to the understanding of the season. The DVD sets are mentioned in all the articles I cited above, but there's no reason a box with Jerry Seinfeld's face on it is going to suddenly add clarity to an already straightforward article. -- VegitaU 02:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

But your deletion rationale doesn't cover the individual season 1 page (which, by the way, is an FL), it just covers the main DVD boxset page. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Can we agree to the compromise that the images be removed from the DVD boxset page, but allowed to remain on the indvidual season pages? 3 of the season pages are FLs, and should have some kind of lead image there and the DVD boxset is the best image available, even if it is fair use. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:32, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll take your lack of response as an agreement and I'll remove the deletion template. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, whoa, whoa…unlike you, apparently, I'm not clicking refresh every second on Wikipedia. I can only get on for a short time during the week and maybe answer one comment. Now, it's funny you "compromise" to do the above and then, just delete the image and neglect to go forward with your part of the "compromise". Yeah, really seems like you know what "compromise" means. And now, I'll be applying this to the rest of the DVD images. Yes, they can stay on the Season lists, but we already have an image for the box set. -- VegitaU 15:03, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

A different discussion

Why not delete all CD album covers from all pages? One can expect the viewer to know what compact discs look like, right? --Henry W. Schmitt 02:23, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Back for your monthly comment, Henry? I think I'll take the advice of someone with more image-use warnings than comments with a grain of salt. But thanks for your visit—see you next month! -- VegitaU 02:47, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't care about any of the silly things that are currently on my personal discussion page. Logos, etc. What I do care about are islands. You told me that unless a free version of the copyrighted image can be found, the copyrighted one can be deleted. You failed to show me a freely available version of quality anywhere close to that of the Google one. The public domain version is outdated and extremely low resolution; the Google version is much more recent and is so detailed homes and the maneabas are visible from above. To refresh your memory, once again here is a comparison of the two images. Mr. Scorpion I apologize for hijacking your discussion entry. --Henry W. Schmitt 03:31, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll try and make it as clear as I can. Google images are copyrighted. If there is a free-alternative or the image is freely-replaceable, you cannot use the copyrighted image. Now, if you feel so strongly about it, get on a plane to Banaba and snap a few photos yourself. Otherwise, the low-res photo stays…trust me, I've deleted more Google images off Wikipedia than warnings you have on your talk page. And that's saying a lot! -- VegitaU 16:33, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Whilst perusing the library last week looking for books related to islands I was struck with a great idea. I will take photography, writing and cartography classes so I excel in these subjects. From there I will move to Kiribati and, one island at a time, write books with pretty photographs and maps about these islands which at this time have no books written about them. In addition I hope to chronicle Nauru and the USMOI, which are also lacking in the non-fiction section of libraries world-wide. I will learn the Gilbertese language and write books and an English-Gilbertese dictionary. Photographs will be taken of the native Gilbertese people and their coral atolls. I will learn the ways of these people, including their ummatched navigational skills. I will travel West to the raised coral island of Banaba, which was named by Nareau, the creator of all things, for it looking like an upturned canoe. At this time I will photograph Ocean Island, as Banaba is called by the white man, from every angle. I will map Banaba like it has never been mapped before. Please be patient; these things take time. Thank you for the inspiration kind sir. -Henry W. Schmitt 20:59, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

(unindented) Whatever floats your boat, chief. Have fun, go wild. -- VegitaU 15:05, 25 September 2007 (UTC)