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Idrasid Zaydi

1.) Where specifically has it been disproven that they were a Zaydi dynasty? From the talk page, I can't see any specific references that actually say so; and the only verifiable ones seem to say that they were Zaydi. 2.) What specific WP policy have I not adhered to? WP:BRD dictates to be bold, I have been bold; now we're having the discussion. I'm also not sure what you mean by "it will not be tolerated"; who are you to dictate what will and will not be tolerated? Alssa1 (talk) 22:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

REACTION 20/8/2020: Reading your comment shows that you did not go through the Talk section of the Idrisids page where this old discussion has been adressed and solved to meet both claims (Sunni, Shia) so there is a fair representation of both sides of the claimants.

You want evidences to disprove the claim that they were Zaydi-Shia, here you go, including primary sources. The only ones making the claim of of Zaydi-Shiism are modern historians who are conflating Zaydi-Shia Theology with the political opposition of the Ahl al-Bayt in the beginning stage. Shia theology as we know did not even exist then.

Sources: (Primary Source) Al-Bayan Al-Maghreb (Ibn Idhari al-Marrakushi, 13th century), Vol.1, p.118 (Arabic - Dr. Bashar A. Marouf & Mahmoud B. Awad, 2013) - Ibn Idhari from the 13th-Century claims they were Sunni.

(Secondary Source) A History of the Maghrib in the Islamic Period (J. Abun-Nasr, 1987), p.50 (Historian): "..., the third 'dissident' dynasty to gain power in the Maghreb during the eighth century, the Idrisid of Fez, was Sunnite"

(Primary Source) Al-Tabari (9th century) - Tarikh al-Tabari (Al-Tabari, 9th century) – English translation: The History of al-Tabari vol.26, p.37-38.

(Secondary Source) De Geschiedenis van Marokko & Noord-Afrika (Sofyan al Kandoussi, 2019), p.179 - Dutch history book on Morocco and North-Africa

Question: As far as we know there ar no primary sources from the middle/medieval ages that claim that the Idrisids were a Zaydi-Shia dynasty while we do have Primary sources that claim that they were Sunni. Please provide primary sources for your claim. We really sincerly would like to know and learn new information if possible.