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Happy editing! Battlecrank (talk) 02:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2024

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Why do you think my edits were "unconstructive"? Up the Walls (talk) 03:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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S0091 (talk) 20:59, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. Did I do something wrong? Up the Walls (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Up the Walls, I am sure you did not know about these restrictions and rules when you made you edits to Last Week Tonight with John Oliver. Since you are not extended-confirmed you cannot edit about the conflict anywhere other than making requests on the talk page of the affected article. S0091 (talk) 21:07, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Technically I did not write about the Arab–Israeli conflict, but about comedians reacting to John Oliver's coverage of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Would this be the case of "guilt by association"? Up the Walls (talk) 21:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's anything related to the conflict but if you have questions, please do ask at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Clerks as instructed above. S0091 (talk) 21:15, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like anything that could be legitimately construed as related becomes related. Up the Walls (talk) 21:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's "broadly construed" so even some articles about food are under this restriction but if you are unsure ask at the noticeboard. I also don't mind being cross-checked there if you think my interpretation is incorrect/misguided. S0091 (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If it's "broadly construed" then your interpretation is correct, since the text in question has an obvious relationship to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Up the Walls (talk) 21:33, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I did restore my first edit of the article, since it has absolutely nothing to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Up the Walls (talk) 21:38, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm...I don't know...that apostrophe might be a big deal (joking!). Seriously though, if you are ever in doubt ask. And I will emphasize again, you did not do anything wrong so the notice is only for awareness. S0091 (talk) 21:50, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I ask that you self-revert you additions about regarding Tom Aharon given the source you are using is directly related to the conflict which you cannot use. S0091 (talk) 22:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You lost me. The source is The Jerusalem Post. Doesn't The Jerusalem Post meet WP:RS? Up the Walls (talk) 22:24, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The source is titled "Israeli satirists blast John Oliver’s segment on Israel-Gaza conflict" is about the conflict so you cannot use it. If you have a different source that has nothing do with conflict, you can use that. S0091 (talk) 22:28, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am going to take this up to the arbitration clerks' noticeboard, per your suggestion above, because I think that this is going too far. Neither the article that I have edited, nor the contents of my edit, have anything to do with the Arab-Israeli conflict. Up the Walls (talk) 22:32, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good idea. S0091 (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the noticeboard, I am not sure we are going to get an answer or at least not quickly. The last query is almost two weeks old. If no other editor raises an issue, happy to let it be. At least now I know who Tom Aharon is. He likely warrants an article here. S0091 (talk) 17:58, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Talent economy (disambiguation)

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Aintabli (talk) 02:41, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how WP:G14 applies. The disambiguation page links to two distinct Wikipedia articles. Up the Walls (talk) 02:48, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't see links to any existing articles with the page title "Talent economy". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:22, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You already deleted the article.

There were two links: One to 10x Management and one to Andrew S. Rosen. The links were at the end of the entries, not the beginning. Up the Walls (talk) 03:26, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jonathan Glazer

Separately, please self-revert [1] as you are not currently 30/500 confirmed editor. -- K.e.coffman (talk) 06:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is an intra-Jewish conflict, not an Arab Israeli conflict. But given that anybody who thinks that if something is related to the Arab Israeli conflict then it falls under the prohibition, I'll stop working on this article until I get to the 500 edit magic number.

I can't really self revert given that others have already expanded on my contributions. Self revert means going back to this revision, and that wouldn't be right. Up the Walls (talk) 06:34, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please self-revert these two edits: [2]. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you think it's so important, go ahead and make the revert yourself. Since it appears that there is nothing wrong with these edits other than the fact that I still haven't hit the 500 edit magic number, I'll resume editing the article as appropriate once I hit that magic number. Up the Walls (talk) 06:44, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I made the revert. Several of the edits were problematic, which I'm happy to elaborate on:

[3], with the edit summary: "WP:NPOV means that Wikipedia should not criticize the critics." -- this is not how NPOV works. Reflecting the sources correctly is NPOV.
[4] -- undue criticism from a gov official w/ an ethnic slur.

Further, you were editing about the Israel-Palestine conflict after it was extensively explained what "broadly construed" means above: #Introduction to contentious topics. --K.e.coffman (talk) 06:55, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In your opinion I was editing about the Israeli-Arab conflict, in my opinion I wasn't. I already told you I'll stop editing that article until I get to the 500 edit magic number, so I'm not sure why you keep harping on that.

[5] -- An official government minister criticized Glazer and it was reported in WP:RS. That's definitely fair to include. We are not passing judgement on whether or not the criticism is fair. Up the Walls (talk) 06:59, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

BRD, Mass detentions in the Israel–Hamas war

It's a good idea in CT areas to follow WP:BRD rather than edit warring your preferred version. Selfstudier (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see you have self reverted, having realized that the term was sourced. Perhaps next time, read the source before reverting. Selfstudier (talk) 19:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea why the reference uses this word. If I can find another reference that uses the word 'release', I'll open it back up. Up the Walls (talk) 19:12, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just look up definitions of deport. Selfstudier (talk) 19:17, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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