User talk:Unbekannterweise

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– the WikiProject Medicine team Jytdog (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

References

Please do review the message above, and the links there. Here is some additional information about sources and how to format citations:

Just follow the steps 1, 2 and 3 as shown and fill in the details

Thank you for contributing to Wikipedia. Remember that when adding content about health, please only use high-quality reliable sources as references. We typically use review articles, major textbooks and position statements of national or international organizations (There are several kinds of sources that discuss health: here is how the community classifies them and uses them). WP:MEDHOW walks you through editing step by step. A list of resources to help edit health content can be found here. The edit box has a built-in citation tool to easily format references based on the PMID or ISBN.

1. While editing any article or a wikipage, on the top of the edit window you will see a toolbar which says "cite" click on it
2. Then click on "templates",
3. Choose the most appropriate template and fill in the details beside a magnifying glass followed by clicking said button,

We also provide style advice about the structure and content of medicine-related encyclopedia articles. The welcome page is another good place to learn about editing the encyclopedia. If you have any questions, please feel free to drop me a note. Jytdog (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Edit war warning

Your recent editing history at Ciprofloxacin shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, please do not revert or change the edits of others when you are reverted. Instead of reverting, please use the talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. The best practice at this stage is to discuss, not edit-war. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. Jytdog (talk) 18:57, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Advocacy in Wikipedia

It is becoming fairly obvious that you have some to ax to grind here, as you are resolutely refusing to follow MEDRS. This ref and doi:10.1093/nar/gky793 each fails MEDRS and obviously so.

So please explain what is driving this behavior. Jytdog (talk) 19:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

Why am I flagged to be engaged in an edit war after adding sources to FDA and Nature that were just mentioned to be a good sources. If it were an edit war I would try to add my previous paragraph again which I obviously didnt. If the references to nature and oxford journal are objected there is still no reason to remove my complete edit as most was referred to the FDA sourceUnbekannterweise (talk) 19:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

The two refs I cited are not even close to OK. You are not interested in following Wikipedia's guidelines. What is driving this behavior? Please do answer. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:19, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I am not interested in an edit war, just to inform readers properly about scientific evidence. I leave it up to you to add the information I tried to convey. The nature article is a summary of recent research, it is not a primary source of research where one author conducts research. The only primary source of review was the oxford journal link. So in summary it would have been sufficient to remove the oxford link, not the entire edit.Unbekannterweise (talk) 19:31, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

You are edit warring. The Nature News piece is absolutely not MEDRS. Again, what is driving your advocacy here? Jytdog (talk) 19:59, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I am asking this, so I can help you manage it. If you continue editing and behaving badly, you are doing to end up blocked or topic banned. Please discuss your behavior here. What is driving it? Jytdog (talk) 20:00, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I am new to this stuff and as Nature has a ImpactFactor of 40 and the article was a literature review (cite Wikipedia:Why MEDRS? : scientists write reviews from time to time, which are dramatically more reliable than primary sources), I assumed its one of the most reliable sources there are. I did not expect it to be an unrealiable source. Is there an easy way to test if a source is MEDRS ? I mean is there a blacklist/whitelist or similar ? I understand that governmental organizations are in general considered reliable. "I can help you manage it" - thank you, that would be great, as I do not want my account to get locked up.Unbekannterweise (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

It is a Nature News piece. It is not a literature review. If you want me to help you, please explain why you are so focused on this and are so impatient that you are not carefully reading what has already been explained to you several times. Jytdog (talk) 20:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I will - after you explain to me if the following examples are primary sources or not. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21190921 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18067688 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3490468 Unbekannterweise (talk) 05:37, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

You should disclose what is driving you to edit about this one thing. If you want to ask how sourcing works here that is understandable, but horse-trading for disclosure is despicable. I will not reply here again.Jytdog (talk) 14:04, 21 October 2018 (UTC)