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Help needed[edit]Hi, I came across the Inayat Bunglawala article and was shocked. He's a very prominent and moderate Muslim leader in the U.K., spokesman of the Muslim Council of Britain etc., but a couple of determined users had managed to write a page of 'terrorist' and 'extremist' accusations (obviously a concerted smear campaign). All I did was to add more neutral details to the page and move the dubious information to a section called 'Criticism' (without deleting even the outlandish claims), but already I'm being accused of 'forcing changes' on the 'group' (really just one guy). Any chance you/anyone you know could come and help out? We need more neutral and positive information, and the criticism needs to be balanced much, much more than it is right now. I feel like I'm on my own with that article, and I can't just leave it, because it's just not fair to have a smear page on Wikipedia. I need experienced people to help balance the page. Thanks so much.Jamal (talk) 21:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC) Plz take a look here. Your insight will be very helpful(I,ve put a review request) . Additionally , whenever you get time , take a look at Dhimmi, & Jizya. Thanks. F.a.y.تبادله خيال /c 14:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks[edit]Thanks for giving feedback at deletion page. Heraldreply 14:25, 14 December 2006 (UTC) User notice: temporary 3RR block[edit]Regarding reversions[1] made on December 15 2006 to Banu Qurayza[edit]
You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 31 hours. William M. Connolley 13:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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Truthspreader (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log)) Request reason: As per WP:3RR#Reverting without edit warring. I unfortunately reacted when User:Proabivouac started removing sourced text, otherwise, the whole discussion can be read on the talk page. TruthSpreaderTalk 14:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC) Decline reason: This is your THIRD 3RR block. You clearly knew what you were doing. The block is only for 31 hours, shorter than is generally given for a third offense. Please use the time to consider how to avoid any more 3RR violations. -- Yamla 00:55, 16 December 2006 (UTC) If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.
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Block message: Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Truthspreader". The reason given for Truthspreader's block is: "3rr on Banu Qurayza".
Decline reason: Blocked directly. -- Yamla 02:38, 17 December 2006 (UTC) PBS[edit]Yeah, i agree :) --Striver 12:56, 17 December 2006 (UTC) Will Smith : case closed[edit]I saw the following excerpt in an article about Smith in "Entertainment Weekly", dated December 15, 2006, p.48 :
So he is obviously still Christian. Thanks for your time and welcome back to Wikipedia! Mrbluesky 23:44, 17 December 2006 (UTC) RfC[edit]Hi Truthspreader, I have eventually decided to open us an RfC for User:Beit Or, User:Humus sapiens and User:Jayjg. I have just started the page here [2]. Feel free to edit it. Here was my last try [3]. Like everybody else, I value my time and don't want to waste it. RfC takes time but it is just once. Cheers, Aminz. P.S. I see Beit Or just reported you for 3rr. You might want to check that out. --Aminz 09:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC) Qurayza agreement[edit]you may wish to check p.37 of Serjeant's analysis of the constitution of Medina where he quite clearly affirms the existence of an agreement signed between Muhammad and (only) the Qurayza just prior to the battle of the trench. he explains it in quite a lot of detail, four paragraphs to be exact, which is why i'm a bit reluctant to attempt transcribing all of that out. do check it out though. ITAQALLAH 02:19, 19 December 2006 (UTC) 3RR on Banu Qurayza[edit]You have been temporarily blocked again for 3RR violations on Banu Qurayza; see [4] When you return to Wikipedia, please use the Talk: pages for discussing proposed edits. Jayjg (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
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TruthSpreaderTalk 05:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Block message: Autoblocked because your IP address was recently used by "Truthspreader". The reason given for Truthspreader's block is: "3RR on Banu Qurayza". Decline reason: You have been blocked directly as stated in your block log. Since you have not provided a reason for being unblocked, your request has been declined. You may provide a reason for being unblocked by adding {{unblock | your reason here}} to the bottom of your talk page, but you should read our guide to appealing blocks first. —Ryūlóng (竜龍) 05:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC) FFI banned in muslim countries[edit]You're saying the site is still banned in Government ISP's of Pakistan, but not in other ISP's? If its still banned in Gov ISP's then you should say that in the article.--Matt57 15:56, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I was focused on Antisemitism related articles for awhile, but it seems that that article is also really in need of attention. Cheers, --Aminz 17:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC) RfC[edit]Hi Truthspreader, Would you please check if you endorse this [5]. Feel free to change it or edit it. If you would like to endorse it please sign here [6] Before doing that, please note that "An RfC may bring close scrutiny on all involved editors, and can lead to binding arbitration. Filing an RfC is therefore not a step to be taken lightly or in haste." Cheers,--Aminz 22:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC) Are you online? --Aminz 11:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC) Can you please sign in your yahoo messenger. Thanks.--Aminz 11:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC) RfC[edit]Hi, regarding the RfC you certified, can you please add diffs showing your attempts to resolve the dispute? I can see only one comment from you, which wasn't an effort to resolve. As you know, both certifiers must have tried and failed to resolve things prior to the RfC being certified. Many thanks, SlimVirgin (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Quote[edit]Here is the quote I was talking about from Ibn Taymiyya:
[alfa¯z] of the scriptural books which they now possess—that is, the Torah and the Gospels—this is something which some Muslims will grant them and which many Muslims will dispute. However, most Muslims will grant them most of that." As you can see, I have a lot of choices. Not only do I accept the complete textual veracity of the Torah and the Gospels from a religous perspective, I would go further and accept the sincerety of Saint Paul. For not only my sincerety-meter affirms it, I view Paul as an influential person. Without God's grace, he couldn't have achieved what he achieved. --Aminz 23:26, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Watt has the following to say:
--Aminz 08:24, 25 December 2006 (UTC) I didn't say my own view ;) I have no particular view on this at the moment. I understand the verse but the Qur'an does sometimes go back and forth in time. The story of cow, etc etc. But honestly I dunno. I should think more about it. I don't think one should dismiss the other theory very quickly since there were scholars including Tabari who were supporting the Issac Theory. But I dunno to be honest with you. --Aminz 12:14, 25 December 2006 (UTC) Please don't add Islamic dress template[edit]It's silly. There are arguments about what parts of the body should be covered, and there are garments. It's the coverage that's Islamic, not the garment. Muslims have worn many many different kinds of garments. Are you going to claim all of them for Islam? Claiming "turban" as Islamic is especially pernicious. Many people wear turbans -- Muslims, Sikhs, Arab Christians, Jews, etc. When stupid Americans think that the turban identifies a Muslim, they go out and kill Sikhs. Muslims in the US don't usually wear turbans, they'll wear a kufi if anything. But observant Sikhs wear turbans as a religious observance. You want to put them in the crosshairs? I should see about getting the template deleted. It could get people killed. Zora 02:44, 26 December 2006 (UTC) Hi Truthspreader, Can you please help with that article. I would like to add this to intro [7]. My argument is that WP:Lead says: "The lead should be capable of standing alone as a concise overview of the article, establishing context, explaining why the subject is interesting or notable, and describing its notable controversies, if there are any." Thanks --Aminz 03:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC) I opened a voting on Talk:Dhimmitude--Aminz 03:30, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Context[edit]Hi TruthSpreader, Please have a look at this article [8] and the website in general. It seems that all the articles are written by university professors and experts. Regarding certain verses in the New Testament, I found the following statement (on which I have no personal view yet).
I think the article by Professor Hugh Anderson merits reading. University of Edinburgh is where Watt was from. --Aminz 05:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Yes, but I believe all the sincere Christians who try to familiarize others with Gospels which is also the word of God deserve much praise and thanks. --Aminz 05:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Muhammad, please have a look at [9]. It says about Deut 20:17 that it was not practiced after David. --Aminz 10:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Did you know that the majority of academic scholars do not believe that stories of conquests of promised land by Joshua actually did take place as it is recorded? It was much slower and peaceful. Conquest of promised land took a long time and was eventually accomplished by the rise of David. So, from an academic perspective, there is no need to assume that the bloody incidents mentioned in book of Joshua actually ever happened. --Aminz 10:44, 28 December 2006 (UTC) The above source continues that :"The themes of exclusivity and tolerance have played a unique role in the relation between Jews and non-Jews. Behind them stand the various strands of Hebrew history which depict God on the one hand as wiping out all who stand in the way of Israel's conquest, and on the other hand commanding Israel to do so." The existence of violence in some cases is not denied but I think the scribes should have exaggerated the bloodshed in the Bible (probably viewing the bloodshed as a sign of power and dominance). On one hand I shouldn't say that (by presumption of correctness of the text) but I like to contradict myself in this particular case. --Aminz 11:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Feminist Exegesis[edit]What do you think of feminist exegesis? For centuries exegesis has been in the hands of men. They were mostly narrating the Hadiths. Did we have any famous early woman interpreter? I found a Feminist Torah Exegesis here [10] which is interesting. (the writer is a professor of religious studies) --Aminz 11:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Quoting the article, the feminist exegesis strategies are as follows:-) Strategy one is: Notice women’s presence in the text. The second strategy is, notice women’s absence in the text. A third strategy is to critique texts from a feminist perspective and discover internal repair...A fourth strategy is to critique texts from a feminist perspective and offer explicitly external repair. You can give a whole sermon on something that is bluntly no good from our perspective in Torah, but then offer from the spirit of Torah, a repair of it from our perspective. A fifth strategy is, highlight a woman’s issue in a text, something that nobody ever saw before. And the sixth strategy is to highlight what we call women’s values. What are women’s values? Are there such values? Are they feminist values? --Aminz 11:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC) This is interesting: <- strategy number 1 Rabbi Michal Shekel, we find out why:
So, here we have the story of Ishmael, who in tradition we understand to be the father of the Arab people, the brother of Isaac, who’s banished along with his mother, Hagar. And this Torah commentator notices that Hagar says: I’m going to give you a name God. You who see me. And that’s the only time in the Torah, until that moment, that anyone had dared to name God. And it is the only time in the Torah, totally, that a woman names God. --Aminz 11:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Right, but at some level, women's interpretations of the passages doesn't necessarily match that of men. Men and Women have their own specific focus. --Aminz 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC) BTW, Houris are angels? I couldn't find any source on that. --Aminz 01:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC) But angels can take the form of human. Do you have any hard proof? --Aminz 02:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC) The reason I was asking that is here [11] --Aminz 03:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I see. Thanks. Let me think about it. Cheers, --Aminz 04:20, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Muhammad, do you have Ibn Ishaq and other primary sources? Watt says:"It is reported that as Sa'd was coming to Muhammad's presence, he made a remark to the effect that since he is about to die, he must consider above all doing his duty to God and the Islamic community, even at the expense of former alliances." I would like to know where it is reported. Thanks --Aminz 13:02, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Thanks bro. --Aminz 13:28, 29 December 2006 (UTC) If it puts is as Watt has put it, that would be better. Since we can save space for Watt. --Aminz 13:32, 29 December 2006 (UTC) I don't understand why the tag is removed, as if there is no dispute. At least a POV tag should remain. --Aminz 13:33, 29 December 2006 (UTC) Existence of dispute in Antisemitism article[edit]Hi TruthSpreader, Hope everything is going well with you. As you know there was a dispute over the Antisemitism article. Some editors are disputing the very existence of a dispute on the Antisemitism article. Would you please have at the evidence provided here [12] and see if that testifies existence of some dispute over the neutrality of the article. Thanks. --Aminz 12:30, 30 December 2006 (UTC) Israel[edit]Muhammad, have a look at this [13] The claims about Ibn Kathir and Muhammad al-Shawkani are of particular interest. Khaleel Muhammad is Assistant Professor at the Department of Religious Studies at San Diego State University. Here is the interview [14]. He claims that the medieval exegetes of Qur'an--without any exception known to him--recognized Israel as belonging to the Jews, their birthright given to them. He claims The idea that Israel does not belong to the Jews is a modern one, probably based on the Mideast rejection of European colonialism etc, but certainly not having anything to do with the Qur'an.--Aminz 03:15, 1 January 2007 (UTC) His argument is that in Quran "Moses says that the Holy Land is that which God has written for the Israelites. In both Jewish and Islamic understandings of the term "written", there is the meaning of finality, decisiveness and immutability." what do you think of that? --Aminz 03:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Regarding "Qur'an only says that Jerusalem will be handed over to Muslims as it was given to Israelites in history", I can not see it in 17:1 "Glory to (Allah) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless,- in order that We might show him some of Our Signs: for He is the One Who heareth and seeth (all things)." Could you please explain. --Aminz 03:37, 1 January 2007 (UTC) He says: "Ibn Kathir (d. 774/1373) said: “That which God has written for you” i.e. That which God has promised to you by the words of your father Israel that it is the inheritance of those among you who believe” . Muhammad al-Shawkani (d. 1250/1834) interprets Kataba to mean “that which God has allotted and predestined for you in His primordial knowledge, deeming it as a place of residence for you” (1992, 2:41). " --Aminz 03:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC) I don't know. It is too technical. And his argument might be ambigious. According to the biblical account, the next generation of Jews entered holy land (the first generation died in the desert). The context is of course asking Jews to fight to enter the holy land that God has written that for you. Ibn Kathir holds that this refers to a promise which Jacob way back gave. I don't know. Khaleel Muhammad thinks that if a promise is given to someone using "written", it has immutability. It is too technical. --Aminz 04:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Article you recommended[edit]Truthspreader, I looked at it and I disagree completely with the scholar. But I know you had good intentions. Happy New Year! Zora 05:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Thank you for your support[edit]Thank you for your support in the RfA on my behalf. It is an honor to have received your expression of confidence. To be chosen as an administrator requires a high level of confidence by a broad section of the community. Although I received a great deal of support, at this time I do not hold the level of confidence required, and the RfA did not pass. It is my wish that I will continue to deserve your confidence. Sincerely, --BostonMA talk 22:11, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Zina - prostitution OK but also death required[edit]Hi, I am curious abou the apparent contradictions between: AL-NOOR (THE LIGHT) 024.033 In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful YUSUFALI: Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. ***But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),*** and "stoning can only be prescribed for someone who habitually commits fornication as prostitutes," from the Zina article, with the following used to justify stoning apparently with no regard to the context created by the of the rest of the chapter. Translations of the Qur'an, Chapter 5: AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 005.033 YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter; 005.034 YUSUFALI: Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful. I am not accusing you of anything here - just wonder if we can find another POV to add to the article that takes a more (to my mind) logical course of reason. SmithBlue 12:05, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for working through this with me. Whilst I dont agree with the rulings themselves or the interpretation of Quoran 005.033 it has been useful to see the internal consistency of what you quote. SmithBlue 03:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
AL-MAEDA (THE TABLE, THE TABLE SPREAD) 005.033 I come to realise its probably not the interpretation of it I disagree with but rather the translation. In English "to strive" is to work towards a definite conscious goal that is more personally important than any other consequence of my actions. If I strive to climb a mountain then I cannot have causing avalanches as more important to me than climbing the mountain. So in English it makes no sense to speak of a prostitute striving through prostitution to spread disorder in the land. Even with deliberate negligence of possible harm they do, they would still not be striving to spread disorder. I've looked at a few different translations and they all use strive and often also reference effort. Do you have another way of looking at this apparent mistranslation? SmithBlue 12:11, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
The quote used to support namus is "The Qur'an states, Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.[1] Whats the worse case scenario if the woman still wont obey the man? Does this become a case of; "Qur'an, Chapter 5: 005.033 YUSUFALI: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;" ? SmithBlue 09:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC) Again you have been very helpful using your time to point me to very relevant information. Thank you. SmithBlue 23:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
Help[edit]can you join the discussion on Aga Khani [[Islamic Cults] trueblood 04:10, 10 January 2007 (UTC) Theses[edit]International experts? What does that mean? It takes one strong-willed professor (the advisor) to get a thesis accepted. Arrow740 08:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Some more articles on Islam[edit]Hi there. I've just created some more articles on Islam and I was wondering whether you might be interested to have a browse on them and contribute to them: So, what do you think about this? Is there anything else that needs to be clarified or added? --Fantastic4boy 08:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC) Talk:Children's rights in Islam[edit]What's you opinion on this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Children%27s_rights_in_Islam? --Fantastic4boy 09:48, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
Hi Truthspreader, Please add that article to your watch list. Also, we have articles on Religious intellectualism in Iran and Religious traditionalism in Iran. Don't we need similar articles for the case of Pakistan? Cheers, --Aminz 03:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Mafia (game)[edit]Have you ever played Mafia (game)? --Aminz 11:01, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Al-Tin[edit]Very Interesting! Since we have Mountain Sinai and City of Peace, it makes quite sense that "Fig and Olive" refers to places and to Jesus. Nice! Is Ghamidi the first who translates it this way? BTW, regarding "Fig is a village situated on this mountain", I am interested to know if this is also mentioned in the Bible. Thanks --Aminz 06:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Prisoners rights in Islam[edit]I acknowledge that in Islam prisoners are not only to be fed well, but also not to be physical, sexually and emotional - where can I get a credible source of information from regarding this? I read some document on prisoners that they are allowed to be tied up when they cause some kind of trouble in prison but I haven't got the article and I'm not sure whether I'm giving out the right information. I heard that they can be tied up. When is it that the prison guards are allowed stop the prisoners, hit them up and tie them up? --Fantastic4boy 04:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC) Ghamidi[edit]Have you read his debate with Ali Sina? Arrow740 21:06, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
<reset>Yes in fact it seems there are five verses on alcohol. The first says that strong drink is a sign of God's provision for humanity, the last says it is an abomination of Satan's handiwork. There is a discussion of all five here, though you might not want to read it. It says that there is wine in heaven as well. If you just say that the one about it being an abomination abrogates the other ones then there's no problem. Arrow740 20:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Intercession[edit]Hi Truthspreader, I was interested to know what you think of the following discussion between God(or an angle, i dunno) and Abraham about destruction of Sodom (people of the Lut, the prophet). I think it is Intercession, isn't it?
22 The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the LORD. [e] 23 Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked? 24 What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare [f] the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it? 25 Far be it from you to do such a thing—to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?" 26 The LORD said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake." 27 Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes, 28 what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city because of five people?" "If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it." 29 Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?" He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it." 30 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?" He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there." 31 Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?" He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it." 32 Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?" He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it." 33 When the LORD had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home. --Aminz 22:04, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
Of course, only God is in control. But intersession can be one of the means through which God enforces his will. Just as God gave us free will but at the same time we do what he decides. I feel prayer and intercession have many common elements. Anyways, thanks for your reply. Cheers, --Aminz 00:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC) TruthSpreader, the main point I think is that as long as we are in this world, we should ask and pray to God and only to God. But in the hereafter, I think there is intercession, but as God has planned it. --Aminz 00:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC) Interesting! Did Ghamidi already decided to put them in 10 categories or they turned out to be in 10? :) Interesting! The Tawrat article in EoI might also give us some information. Cheers, --Aminz 00:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC) Hello[edit]Hi Muhammad, Do you have any suggestion where it is the best place to add the following quote from Encyclopedia of Science and Religion, p.464?
I am going to sleep. In general I think the article in EoS&R on Islam is very well written. Anyways, Cheers, --Aminz 12:02, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Truthspreader, Islam and science article is a good candidate; I was also thinking of Muhammad and animals? Rest of the article is also very interesting especially the way the article starts:
--Aminz 22:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
Women in Islam[edit]That wasn't a test. I'm not sure why the link was deleted as it is a forum that focuses exclusively on Muslim women. 68.76.80.120 02:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC)modern_muslimah Forum[edit]It's "depository" and I wish that you had said that in your message to me or sent me a message saying that links to forums aren't allowed. I would have deleted it myself. Clear explanations go a long way. Discussion continued[edit]Is the list of themes complete? It has been my sense that the Quran has lots of commands to obey Muhammad and rejoice when he manages to subjugate others, and that list seems to prove me right. So the Ghamidi school seems to have reduced the objectionable content of Islam by ignoring lots of sahih hadith and saying that violent verses only applied to the people around Muhammad. I can't comment conclusively on the coherence of this approach, though I can say that it seems to be a new idea. That's not to say that Muslims haven't been getting it wrong since after the Companions died out, I guess it's possible. However Ghamidi still has the problem of Muhammad's own actions to deal with, and the belief that God would have those verses be effective even for a short period of time. In your view are the verses on making Jews and Christians feel subdued and killing polytheists no longer applicable? If you care to tell me I'd like to know why you think God would say those things at all. Arrow740 06:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Funny[edit]See this [17]. My frined told me if Satan wanted to give a talk, he couldn't beat this guy. --Aminz 09:20, 31 January 2007 (UTC) This is also funny [18] --Aminz 09:22, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Muhammad, can you please listen to [19] from minute 53:40 to 1:04:00. And let me know what you think. Thanks --Aminz 03:21, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Muhammad, Would you please let me know what do you think of my comment on ALM take page, dated: "03:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC)", and what do you think of Pact of Omar? Thanks --Aminz 04:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Muhammad, I think you are commenting on a different edit. I mean this one: Much of these laws were later copied from Byzantium and Persian Empire legislation. Pact of Omar is believed by western historians to be produced later and attributed to Omar. And it can be explained completely based on the secular and cultural elements. Let me give an example to explain what I mean: Today many people kill animals and eat them. Assume that the science come up with a way to artificially produce meat. Well, people will eventually stop killing animals. Sometime later they will see killing animals as an extremely bad thing. Then, I am sure, some people will come and say. What? Prophet Muhammad slaughtered animals? What a terrible religion Islam is? And the critics will add it to the "Criticism of Islam" article. Now, still, we have to see how the Dhimmi regulaions were imosed. This article [14] from the Journal of Semitic Studies, Oxford University Press states makes the following point: "in spite of the existence of discriminatory laws against Jews and Christians, such as 'the Pact of 'Umar', the prohibition against learning Arabic and reading the Qur'an, or laws compelling Jews to dress in distinguishing clothes, they have rarely been applied. Hence, the status of the Jews as ahl al-dhimmah normally enabled them to lead safe and peaceful lives under Islam, only occasionally disrupted during the times of certain rulers or their vizirs, or when conditions in general began to deteriorate within the Muslim empire." Lewis states: "The usual definition of tolerance in pre-modern times was that: "I am in charge. I will allow you some though not all of the rights and privileges that I enjoy, provided that you behave yourself according to rules that I will lay down and enforce." Those later Muslims who made up the Pact of Omar were men of their time. It would be strange to expect them to give us legislation we have now in 21st century.--Aminz 03:55, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Cheers, --Aminz 04:24, 1 February 2007 (UTC) I wrote it in reply to your comment: Unfortunately, this is true, as per the interpretation by most contemporary jurists, atleast to the best of my knowledge. --Aminz 04:25, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit conflict] More information(From Dhimmi article Encyclopedia of Islam): It states that it is hard to find the precise nature of the rulings of early Muslims because "since the relevant texts have often been altered, and sometimes fabricated from the whole cloth, as a consequence of the differing concerns of Muslims and non-Muslims at later periods." The article continues explaining the situation and regulation of early Muslim regimes: "Certain regulations have the temporary character of the demands made on a subject population by an army of occupation: dwellings, food-supply, intelligence, and security against espionage (it is as an example of this that we must understand the prohibition, on which later rigorists were to insist, of the wearing by Dhimmīs of Arab dress, since in fact the natives and the Arabs dressed differently). But the essential—and lasting—stipulation concerns the payment of the distinguishing tax or Jizya [q.v.], which was later to develop into a precise poll-tax, and which, expressing sub-jection, was to inaugurate the definitive fiscal status of the Dhimmī's; this was in conformity with the usual custom of all mediaeval societies where non-dominant religious communities were concerned. Precautions must have been taken to avoid clashes between different communities, which at first enjoyed such friendly relations that buildings could be divided between Christians and Muslims; but it was only in the amṣār that restrictions on the right to construct new religious buildings could already from that time be maintained. The preservation by each community of its own laws and peculiar customs, as well as its own leaders—this also in conformity with the attitude of all mediaeval societies—must have resulted in the first place from the situation as it was rather than from any formal decision. The autochthonous non-Muslims, who were often unaccustomed to bear arms, were only exceptionally called upon for military services." --Aminz 04:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Pact of Omar[edit]Muhammad see, there are striking similarities between the Pact of Umar and the Theodesian and Justinian Codes. Based on this Modern historians suggests that perhaps much of the Pact of Umar was borrowed from these earlier codes by later Islamic jurists. Modern historians hold that At least some of the clauses of the pact mirror the measures first introduced by the Umayyad caliph Umar II or by the early Abbasid caliphs. --Aminz 04:59, 1 February 2007 (UTC) Western orientalists doubt the authenticity of the Pact, arguing that it is usually the victors, not the vanquished, who propose, or rather impose, the terms of peace, and that it is highly unlikely that the people who spoke no Arabic and knew nothing of Islam could draft such a document. --Aminz 05:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC) How could these be justified? --Aminz 05:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC) EoI states that it is hard to find the precise nature of the rulings of early Muslims because "since the relevant texts have often been altered, and sometimes fabricated from the whole cloth, as a consequence of the differing concerns of Muslims and non-Muslims at later periods." --Aminz 05:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
Day of Ashura[edit]Salam Alaykum. Please participate in this debate and write your idea:Talk:Day of Ashura#Rearrangement:POV or NPOV--Sa.vakilian 18:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Response[edit]But worldwide domination is the goal of the umma and the weakness of the Muslim world is viewed as a temporary setback. However your ideas about emphasis seem reasonable. Arrow740 08:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
Women in Islam/sandbox[edit]Just to let you know, I prodded your temp article Women in Islam/sandbox since it wasn't edited since september 2006. Garion96 (talk) 22:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC) That's 3 reverts. Arrow740 05:23, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Any response to my comment?--Sefringle 05:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Mizan[edit]Please refrain from adding honorifics. Specifically, referring to Muhammad as Prophet Muhammad. Thanks, KazakhPol 21:14, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Mediation at Talk:Reforms under Islam (610-661)[edit]Mediation was requested a while ago, and Ive responded. None involved in mediation has responded however. I am requesting your presence at the article to resolve any disputes. Thanks. -Ste|vertigo 01:20, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
THANKS SO MUCH!![edit]-- I looked at the article about women in Islam, about a year ago, and you've still managed to change any biased or non factual statements regarding womens rights. Kudos!!MOI 22:03, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Rajm article[edit]In the Rajm article, you mention: The most common Muslim view is that stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery Zina committed by a married man or woman with someone who is not legal to him/her. and A minority of Muslims disagree entirely regarding its legality, arguing that it can not be found in the Qur'an, and the practice goes against some verses, such as those in Sura an-Nur. Can you please add sources/references to back this statement to ensure verifiability. Thanks.--Scotchorama 18:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Islam and racism[edit]Hey. I've just started an article on Islam and racism. Perhaps you might want to have a look at it. I've started the article by putting Koranic verses as references, but you may want to add some more academic source of information to the article. Thanks. --Fantastic4boy 08:51, 9 June 2007 (UTC) Alternate accounts[edit]A checkuser request has shown that you are using multiple accounts, some of them abusively. I have chosen not to block this account since it has not been used abusively, but in the future please avoid using multiple accounts. Any further misuse of this account will result in it being blocked indefinitely. MastCell Talk 17:58, 14 June 2007 (UTC) Copyright violation[edit]In the future, do not paste entire copyrighted paragraphs verbatim into wikipedia articles, as you did here from the Deniz Kandiyoti source. Hopefully your other edits have not been similar to this. Thanks, Calliopejen1 05:29, 28 September 2007 (UTC) New E-mail[edit]Please check in your inbox for the new E-mail I sent you. Bowei Huang (talk) 09:02, 20 July 2008 (UTC) mariage with the ex wife after divorce[edit]I HAVE DIVORCED MY WIFE AND SAME HAS BEEN CONFIRMED BY COUNCELOR.NOW I WANT TO MARY HER.WHAT CAN BE DONE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.2.130.133 (talk) 11:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC) Dajjal's claim of jesus[edit]I came across Dajjals page on wikipedia it was written that he will claim to be jesus.Whereas i have read and listen that he will claim to be Allah.In a hadith also, like in this one Volume 9, Book 88, Number 245: Narrated Anas: The Prophet said, "No prophet was sent but that he warned his followers against the one-eyed liar (Ad-Dajjal). Beware! He is blind in one eye, and your Lord is not so, and there will be written between his (Ad-Dajjal's) eyes (the word) Kafir (i.e., disbeliever)." (This Hadith is also quoted by Abu Huraira and Ibn 'Abbas).The sentence and your lord is not so clearly states that he will claim to be Allah.I tried editing it but some other user says my sources aren't reliable and he changed it back to jesus.Now i have just added the 2 hadiths which state that he will claim to be Allah in the dajjals page in the references and i have edited it.Please come and put some light on this dajjal page as i was searching for a muslim over here.Legalpepsi (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC) Possibly unfree Image:Javed_Ghamidi.jpg[edit]An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:Javed_Ghamidi.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is unclear or disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. You may find more information on the image description page. You are welcome to add comments to its entry at the discussion if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Jordan 1972 (talk) 01:07, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Claims of Evidence for Other Religions as the One True Religion[edit]I've heard that there are many proofs and evidences for Islam as the one true religion. For example, there are many miracles that are proofs or evidences for Islam. There are also proofs that the Qur'an is inerrant and infallible and inspired by Allah. But it is not that simple. Islam is not the only religion that claims to have proofs or evidences for it to be true and the one true religion. There are other religions which also claim to have proofs or evidences to be true and the one true religion. There are other religions which also claim to have miracles as proofs or evidences for them. For example, Christianity also claims to have proofs or evidences to be true and the one true religion. For example, Christians claim that there are proofs that the Bible is inerrant and infallible and inspired by God and that Jesus Christ is God and the son of God. See the following articles: Proof Of Christ And The Bible, Fulfilled Prophecy As Proof Of The Bible, Science as Proof Of The Bible, Proofs Of The Existence Of God, Reasons For the Bible, Heaven, Deity, Resurrection, Creation, Baptism, and Judaism: 10 Proofs That Jesus Christ is the Messiah. So if you claim that there are alot of proofs or evidences for Zoroastrianism to be the one true religion, what are you going to say about the claims of other religions, for example Christianity, to be true and the one true religion? What are you going to say? Answer me either in my user talk page or E-mail me at bowei@tpg.com.au. Bowei Huang (talk) 08:59, 31 March 2009 (UTC) Non-free rationale for File:Manner javed.jpg[edit]Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:Manner javed.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under non-free content criteria, but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. 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Request help with evaluative diversity article[edit]Hi, Truthspreader. I'd like some help with the evaluative diversity article. It attempts to recognize contributions to this issue by major spiritual traditions, and I wonder whether if you might know of Islamic contributions that were missed. Langchri (talk) 22:19, 24 November 2013 (UTC) Hi, WikiProject Islam[edit]Hello friend, are you a member of WProject Islam? Because I'm unsure who else to contact, since the Talk Page is dead and going without any response, after an issue (dispute) arose. Kindly refer to Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Islam#Review for the full discussion; Is it four "Rashidun" or five Rashidun caliphs? Nonetheless, despite my attempt to get a community consensus/input (to no avail) and civil discussion, the corresponding user has gone ahead and reverted/re-edited the articles again, and I'm in no mood to edit war with a user who can't be reasoned with personally by myself. See: [21] Would greatly appreciate your input, and any other Project members you can tag along to settle the dispute once and for all, which ever direction you guys decide to go with. DA1 (talk) 00:05, 6 June 2017 (UTC) |
- ^ Surah An-Nisaa; verse 34.