User talk:TreyGeek/Archives/2009Q1

Joe Lauzon

In response to your comment regarding the change I made to Joe Lauzon's training location. I have no reference to cite. I know where he trains because I train with him at his gym in Bridgewater, MA. So although I don't have an article or internet reference to cite, the information i posted is valid. Papalinden (talk) 21:52, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

If you are claiming that Joe Lauzon trains at that gym because you've seen him there, that would be original research. That is not an acceptable "source" for Wikipedia articles and a verifiable source should still be cited. --TreyGeek (talk) 15:59, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Ryan Bader

I re-added Ryan Bader to the list of "Notable UFC Fighters" in the Ultimate Fighting Championship page. I'm hoping your revert earlier was because of the Mexican flag, and nothing else. AndresTaylor (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes, my reversion was a knee-jerk reaction when seeing the Mexican flag associated with his name. I made the assumption he was located elsewhere on the list with the correct flag. Later I though I should have double-checked. --TreyGeek (talk) 22:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Leatherface

I have been trying to revert the edits to Leatherface, but it may have looked like I was trying to vandalize the page. Several IP addresses were responsible for the vandalism. Could you please report them to AIV. Thanks. Griffinofwales (talk) 18:30, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

People can be reported to AIV once they have received sufficient warnings. When you are reverting vandalism, please be aware of what the content of the article will be when you complete the revert, otherwise you are not helping matters. --TreyGeek (talk) 18:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering exactly how do you revert multiple edits at once? Thanks Griffinofwales (talk) 15:58, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The manual way is to go back to the last good version of the article, view the source (or edit that page), copy the contents. Then go back to the vandalized version and paste the good version over the bad version. There are also tools such as Twinkle and Huggle that will do it for you. --TreyGeek (talk) 20:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

TUF Finales

Thanks for back filling in the main articles under the Finale sections! --Drr-darkomen (talk) 22:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. Was a good thought to separate out the finale from the seasons. --TreyGeek (talk) 22:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Queer as Folk (North American TV series) Edit War

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Queer as Folk (North American TV series). Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:08, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe the WP:3RR doesn't apply when reverting vandalism. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

No it doesn't - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:11, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

How's changing gay to homosexual vandalism? - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:15, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

If you want to tell me the best course of action for me to have taken was to wait for the IP to be blocked from editing before making the 'final' revert, I would accept that (and in retrospect, realize that is what I should have done). However, there is a clause in the rule for vandalism[1].

Also, the IP's edits taken as a whole shows vandalism on their part. See the IP's edit history and their talk page for more on their edits. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I did have a little look over the IP's edits and can saw they had a history of vandalism... - *sigh* looks like they've created a user... Let's move this to the talk page of the article. - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Fair enough. An outside part that was brought in by the IP made a comment on the article's talk page about the issue. I've made my response. We'll see where it goes. I've also reported the IP's new user account, especially since they removed material from my user page.

I'll keep my hands off the article for a short bit at least. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:26, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Heh, well thanks for your sensible manner, but the user has been blocked now for block evasion, so I guess we don't have to worry about edit warring. Thanks again :) - Kingpin13 (talk) 17:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding and patience with me. I'll try better in the future to not participate in a similar war, especially if I'm expecting the other person to be blocked soon. Off to find something more "constructive" to do. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:41, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 7

Hi, can you help me out at World Victory Road Presents: Sengoku 7? Some anons are inserting copyrighted text from Sherdog and are insisting on replacing the flags they feel best represent two fighters instead of the one used for them during the broadcast (see the notice I placed for more details). Thanks, --aktsu ^(t / c) 23:08, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem. I just restored the article to your last edit. I'll keep an eye on it and hopefully admins will block the IP (again). --TreyGeek (talk) 00:42, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, though - as I realize that "my" use of the flags (i.e. what they are fighting under instead of actual nationality) is somewhat controversial, even if IMO supported by MOSFLAG - don't feel you have to revert that if you don't feel the same way. The copyvio is by far the bigger issue. --aktsu ^(t / c) 00:58, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

My personal opinion on flags have been to take them out entirely, if only to eliminate the controversy that surrounds their use. However, since that won't happen, my interpretation of MOS:FLAG is that a flag should be used to show the nation that sports person feels they represent (regardless of where they were born, where they are a citizen of, etc). Assuming WVR is displaying flags the fighter feels they represent then that takes precedence, IMO. --TreyGeek (talk) 01:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

My view as well :) The thing is (you probably already know/read this but anyway), for the Japanese promotions (WVR/Dream etc), you can make the argument that - as the governing body - if they use flags for the fighters it in fact is international competition (an argument you can't make for the state-sanctioned fights in the US). That way you actually have something to point to and say, "this is the flag to use" - and which also is in compliance with MOS:FLAG. One problem is that (at least at Sengoku 7) WVR only had flags for the tournament fighters, meaning the other fighters like Thompson and Lawal by that logic shouldn't have flags. Someone is going to add them though so I just let it slide -_- This way the flags at least makes somewhat sense. --aktsu ^(t / c) 03:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

A suggestion for you. On this article's talk page, add a section explaining why the flags being used are done that way. Something along the lines of WVR used these flags as being the nation the fighter represents for the evening (or something). Then when we go to revert the edits we can simply say "See talk page" rather than explain the situation in the edit summary. It probably won't stop the IPs from changing the flags, but it may put you and us in a better position if someone wants to cry edit-war. --TreyGeek (talk) 03:46, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Gave it a shot... Sucks that the UFC-events use them since people are bound to point their use of them out (as the IP already did once). Oh well. --aktsu ^(t / c) 04:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Deleted all my Grip-It content

The pages I added the Grip-It content had nothing to do with SEO or advertisement. Those pages stated First and Third party accessories were listed, but because we added an 'unknown' it was deleted? I do not understand? It seems like the wikipedia is full of users who love to go around acting like a wiki "God" deleting content 'they' don't deem neccessary. NVIDIA has a Company Page, ATI, Intel, etc... why is that this company, which is a sister company of Total Control LLC. a registered corporation, is deleted? Zer0efx (talk) 17:32, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I would first like to suggest you review the "Welcome" information I posted to your user talk page. It contains a lot of good information on what makes a good article in Wikipedia. One of the first things is an issue of Notability; "Grip-It" seems to be a non-notable company in the midst of many third-party accessory vendors for video game consoles. Another issue is of spam where the references you provided were to the company's products/sales page. As for the main page for "Grip-It," I did not delete that article; I nominated it for deletion primarily because it appeared to be blatant advertising and an administrator agreed. The article also contained copy/pasted sections from the company's website which is a copyright violation and also subjects the article to deletion. In reviewing your edits it appears other agree that your edits were advertising and spam, so I am not alone. You are welcome to edit and add to Wikipedia, but I would again encourage you to review the links I provided on your user talk page and educate yourself on some best practices while here. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I did read your info and I did see my conflicts... but in the interest of fairness, if you are going to remove the links I posted which were to the product page, then on the PS3 Accessories article, there are a few links posted directly to a product page... But it's Sony... so they are ok to sell and advertise their products right? Zer0efx (talk) 18:02, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I see only one reference that leads to Sony's products/sales page (Sixaxis controller). A quick glance at the page linked to provides a lot of detailed information, so it may be useful. I don't normally monitor and edit the PlayStation 3 accessories page. If I get time I may review that section and see if there is a better reference that's not necessarily a sales page. --TreyGeek (talk) 18:08, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Texas State University-San Marcos Copyright problems

Hi. I'm duplicating your note there and my response to here, since I hope very much to archive that day soon. :) (Probably not within the next few hours, but certainly by the end of the day!) I'm watching your talk page here in case you have comments or would like to respond. Sorry you didn't get a quicker response. The way the copyright problems board is set up, tickets are listed for seven days before an admin reviews them. If you have questions about handling copyright problems in the future, you're likely to get a faster response at WT:CP or at the talk page of our brand new project, Wikipedia:WikiProject Copyright Cleanup (/shameless plug). --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• Texas State University-San Marcos (history · last edit) has several sections recently added that were copy-pasted from other websites. I have flagged the sections that were copy-pasted. I am placing the alert here as these sections were added by a user, even after their previous edit was reverted and they were warned about copy-paste plagiarism. There may be a possibility of rewriting these sections or reverting back to edit [2] which is the last edit before the user started making the copy-past additions. I am interested in getting an outsider's opinion on the best way to proceed. --TreyGeek (talk) 06:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
  • This one is a horrible mess. :/ I wish I started at the top of CP instead of the bottom, because this note would have been very helpful. :) (DumbBot also listed this matter, so I had already investigated before noticing that you had listed it here.) I have blanked the entire article with a copyvio template, since I found additional sections pasted that were not tagged and as we should blank copyright infringement to prevent our mirrors from disseminating the material. I've relisted it under today, to reset the clock for "closure" for another week. If regular contributors do not rewrite in temporary space or seek permission, I will revert back to the last identifiably clean. Thank you so much for recognizing this problem and following up on it! I have also given the contributor a clear block warning, since I do not see that he had received one before. If you see him adding copyrighted information without permission again, please follow through. I'll try to check back, but there are so many problematic contributors listed here that it's impossible for one admin to check up on all of them to be sure more problems don't follow. We're in the middle of cleaning up after an editor who introduced copyrighted text into literally thousands of articles. I so don't want to see something like that happen again. :/ --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 12:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for your help. I noticed that the requests on WP:CP were taking a week or more, so no worried on timing. I was willing to wait. I had not realized that the Texas State's traditions web pages were copied so much. Of course, I'm not sure I've been watching the page all that long. User:JasonB007's recent edits raised a flag with me recently as some text he was adding I could remember being used elsewhere and started looking into those recent edits.

You can archive the log from 24 March (if you are waiting on me). I'll look at the info in your re-list of the item. I'll also make a reply on the article's talk page and work on seeing if I can clean it up.

Thanks again for your help. --TreyGeek (talk) 14:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Not waiting on you, just haven't finished the day yet. :) But I'll archive once I do, and we'll see what action needs to be taken next week. Thanks. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 15:05, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Citing Sources

I have seen the number of applicants on several MMA pages- most pointing back to the original on http://mmamania.com/2008/10/27/ I took the ref tags down until I can find a secondary source or one on UFC.com - I found a press release on the UK one, but not the US Yet.

www.spike.com/video/tuf-9-anarchy/3126745 is the UK one- Feel free to post it.

David.snipes (talk)

Any legitimate source to verify the information is what you need for most any information in an article. I removed the text you added because there was no source. If you were to add it abck with the MMA Mania source, then that should be sufficient. --TreyGeek (talk) 19:52, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Thats what I originally had- but I saw on another wiki admin's page that 411mania and MMA mania were not valid sources- but I'll add it back, your the jefe —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs) 20:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm... somewhere my response was lost. I haven't seen anywhere that MMA Mania is not a reputable source (doesn't mean it is, I just haven't seen one way or another). If you were to add the information back in, citing your source from MMA Mania, I wouldn't revert it. --TreyGeek (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

MMA Template

Would this be a good template to use to fill in the red link blanks for the fighters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David.snipes/Sandbox_2

--David.snipes (talk) 21:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm not completely sure what you mean (particularly when you say "the red link blanks"). A couple thoughts on it though. Move the 'MMAstatsbox' to the first thing in the article so that it appears at the top right of the page. As for contract status, I'm not sure if there should be a whole section devoted to it, especially since finding sources will be difficult since contracts are often secret (AFAIK). --TreyGeek (talk) 22:05, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm assuming he means creating articles for people with redlinks. Just be aware that not all fighters are notable, so one shouldn't blindly create articles. Anyway, what I wanted to say was that I've updated WP:MMA to include up-to-date code for the templates so you (David) might want to copy them again. If you need a reference-article, Jung Chan Sung should also be up-to-date on all the templates. Cheers, --aktsu ^(t / c) 22:39, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

It was a thought- thats why I asked, it might be interesting to add- such as Bisping vs Henderson will be fight #3 on Bispings current 8 fight deal- considering how many fighters the UFC are cutting. I meant to say Red Links or Blanks- such as most of the fighters on TUF and others such as Jason Thacker on TUF season 1- part of the reason I joined Wiki is I got tired of seeing redlinks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs) 22:45, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

For a lot of the TUF competitors, they may not be notable enough to have an article for them. In my opinion, a handful of matches in local MMA promotions with a short appearance on TUF doesn't qualify as notable. Others may disagree. One thing that can be done with red-linked fighters, particularly the lesser notable ones on the TUF page, is to unlink their names (as happened with most of the eliminated UK fighters from last night's TUF episode). --TreyGeek (talk) 22:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

PAT SMITH

How does this look?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David.snipes/Sandbox_3 —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs) 23:52, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

I'll try to be as constructive as I can. All articles should have an intro. The "Fighting Style" section really appears to be your intro and thus shouldn't have a section header. The intro should give us an overview of what we will find out in the article itself. UFC 1, 2, and 3 could all be combined into a single MMA Career section. Simple and what may appear to others as random facts ("He is the trainer of Bob Sapp") should be avoided. People who don't know Path Smith or Bob Sapp may say, "What's the point? Why does it matter?" These potential questions should be answered if you can. Finally, I'd suggest you read over WP:CIT and look at the various templates for citing sources.

If your curious what good articles are to use as a comparison there is Brock Lesnar, Randy Couture, and Heath Herring. You may not have as much information available as these articles, but it gives you an idea of what sections should be there, what information to provide, an overall format, and where articles should eventually wind up over time. Let me know if you have any other questions. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:14, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Ok. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David.snipes/Sandbox_3 I think I have it as clean as I can get it- I added the book cite as well. Can you give it the once over and let me know what you think? --David.snipes (talk) 15:40, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

You still need to work on citing sources appropriately. In between the <ref> </ref> tags is where you use the appropriate {{cite ... }} template. You shouldn't 'cite' a source at the bottom in the references section, that's done automatcially. Add back in an infobox (can find the template on the MMA Project page). I'd also move the second paragraph of the intro down to the UFC1&2 section. After that, there's only minor stuff here and there, so it's starting to look good. --TreyGeek (talk) 00:54, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Final Edit? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David.snipes/Sandbox_3

Do you think this is good enough Now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs) 17:16, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Bisping!

Hopefully this makes up for me bugging you

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Ultimate_Fighter:_United_States_vs._United_Kingdom#Anderson_Silva.27s_next_fight

01:17, 4 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by David.snipes (talk • contribs)

Locations Flags

Just wondering why you have been removing the flags from the locations area in the record box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Justastud15 (talk • contribs) 17:48, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

As per MOS:FLAG and the discussion at WP:MMA just as in the edit summary. It had been mentioned in the MMA project previously that location flags in the record boxes are redundant. I recently verified if this was still the case; there was one response agreeing, no responses disagreeing. So, when I encounter pages with those flags I've been removing them. --TreyGeek (talk) 17:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

So we are done using them? Justastud15 (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

According to MOS:FLAG they should never have been used in that way. In discussion at WP:MMA back in February on flag usage there was a brief mention of not having flags for locations in record boxes and general agreement. Judging from the response to my recent inquiry at the MMA project that appears to still be the case. --TreyGeek (talk) 18:08, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Thankyou for given help

Thankyou for the given help on my talk page, it has been very helpful to me. Also I have read the Wiki policy on Conflicts of Intrest and Neutral points of veiw, and It appears to me that in those subject areas, I have made no viloations. Many thanks for given help however. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Adding on

Why don't you ever add on things yourself? Justastud15 (talk) 19:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Never mind, I just saw somethings you've done. My bad. Justastud15 (talk) 19:41, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I believe there is more to being an editor on Wikipedia than throwing up a bunch of new content. The work I do put up, is researched and sourced and the only edits others make to it are minor stuff. If you really care, I recently rewrote Texas State University-San Marcos and am currently trying to work on a merge of IBM Parallel Sysplex, IBM Sysplex and IBM Geographically Dispersed Parallel Sysplex. It takes a bit of time to find reliable sources and to integrate all this information correctly. That's my opinion. --TreyGeek (talk) 19:54, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Igor Gracie

shouldnt this page be put up for speedy deletion?Sepulwiki 20:30, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

I'd support you if you want to put it up for speedy deletion. It's very stubby and the content it mostly cut/pasted from [3]. In fact the article creation two years ago was a cut/paste and has been only slightly modified over time. WP:Notability and MMA fighters don't normally make sense to me, so not sure how notability flies for deletion here. But, put it up for deletion, I wouldn't argue with it. --TreyGeek (talk) 20:39, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Wait, Igor Gracie? A "2 time Brazilian National champion and multiple times Pan American and Mundial medalist" would not be speedied. AFD would be the way to go, but (just based on the article, havn't checked the available coverage) I'm not sure I would support it. --aktsu ^(t / c) 20:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

As for notability, I'm not really sure what being a "2 time Brazilian National champion and multiple times Pan American and Mundial medalist" means. I'm not deep into combat sports around the world, so I don't know how important it is. As I said above, in the past I've been a poor judge on notability and fighters.

However, there is potentially a copyright violation. Articles can be speedily deleted for being cut/pasted from websites as this one start out as with very little change.

FYI, I'm going to copy this conversation over to the article's talk page. It probably belongs there since people are more likely watching it than my talk page for discussions on the article. --TreyGeek (talk) 20:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

The Ultimate Fighter 9

No problem about updating the fighter section. Also I was wondering if you could edit and add on to the Nick Osipczak page. Thanks-Justastud15 (talk) 03:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

I did the best I could. There's not a whole lot of information out there about him. Not even his TUF/UFC profile has much in it. I did find one interview he did and incorporated some information about his start in MMA. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:18, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I tried when I made the page but I couldn't find anything. It already looks a lot better then it did. Thanks for the help. Justastud15 (talk) 04:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Jaime Jarra

Jaime Jarra, either this article should without a doubt be deleted or redirected to Jaime Jara fast. Sepulwiki 17:11, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you just move the page to the correct spelling? --TreyGeek (talk) 18:53, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Because i really dont know how, i was hoping in all of your glory you would take advantage of that. I suppose i could try to figure out how to redirect the article.76.184.8.116 (User: Sepulwiki) 13:27, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

There's a ton of help pages in Wikipedia to learn how to do these things. For moving a page checkout WP:MOVE. --TreyGeek (talk) 14:24, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Ross Pearson

Hi, you recently reverted a change I made to the [Ross Pearson] Wikipedia page, where I corrected the location of a fight from "Swansea, England", to "Swansea, Wales" saying this was wrong. However, I am correct and the page is currently wrong. How do I know Swansea is in Wales and not England? Well, I live there. The fight happened in the Time and Envy nightclub, which has now been transformed into an 'Oceana' nightclub - if you wish to visit this place, you can find it on the Kingsway in the city centre of Swansea.

I fail to see how correcting an error (which could actually be seen as quite offensive to the people of Swansea) is not constructively contributing to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.110.103.120 (talk) 03:26, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I stand corrected. --TreyGeek (talk) 04:05, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandals

Can I vandalize my talk page?66.72.200.177 (talk) 21:24, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

You can "vandalize" your talk page but not anyone else's. If you have an account, it's best to do it with that account and not an anonymous IP, otherwise people will not realize you are editing your own account. --TreyGeek (talk) 22:31, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

WP:FORUM

I've been an editor for a number of years now and a member of the project for quite some time. The LGBT talk page can get pretty forum-ish on a regular basis, esp. when notable gay or gay-friendly individuals pass away, its just our way of grieving. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 03:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm just not familiar with how WP:LGBT operates, but I figured posting YouTube links, without providing direction on how to positively contribute to Wikipedia, articles was being too forumish. If WP:LGBT operates in a forum fashion it would be good to know so that I can avoid it. --TreyGeek (talk)

Don't let the relaxed attitude fool you. The active LGBT Project member are some of the most vigilant editors on wikipedia. The Bookkeeper (of the Occult) 05:09, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Redesigning the View Askew Project Page

Hello, TreyGeek. I have been working on redesigning the main page for the View Askew WikiProject at this page. So before I went on and changed the main page, I wanted to ask all the members how they felt about it. So could you take a look at it and give any suggestions to improving it on the project's talk page? Thank You. WikiGuy86 (talk) 22:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC) TreyGeek (talk) 22:49, 6 May 2009 (UTC)