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American Mafia ?

I have one diddly issue with your close of American Mafia. There isn't an article talk page, because the filing editor didn't identify an article that exists. However, the unregistered editor appears to be a troll, so it doesn't make any real difference how or why their stupid post gets closed. Thank you for closing the Aaliyah dispute. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, but that was an issue with our listing bot when used by editors who aren't syntax savvy. All the bot wants is the exact name of the article and doesn't deal well with additions, errors, or variations. In this case, they put "Wikipedia" in front of the page name, so generated a redlink. If I hadn't closed it, I would've corrected it. And there wasn't an issue with the poster knowing the location of the article, since in the DRN listing s/he refers to the content of the article:

"'Ma- fia' is Italian slang for 'My Daughter', the origin of the vigilante secret self protection organization, formed to protect young girls from nobility, with assistance from the Catholic church. This article ignores this fact, yet promotes another ethnic slur..." (Emphasis added.)

So there was no need to correct the link just to help them find the article. And since they could find the article, if they can't find the talk page then CIR. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 18:01, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal EL

Just for your information, the external link I inserted went to an old version of the page in question and was shortened with w.wiki. 172.112.210.32 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Sir After my apologies I haven't given any legal threats to any editor .

Yes I just raise my voice against something which is I feel I should. Yes I did mention about a editor to some one in his talk page as 7 found he 8s involved in many Indian caste page. Hope I clear your doubts. Now it is your wish how we will address this issue. Thank you once again. S Das0406 (talk) 21:50, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

I quote you: "As I m not in India I can't do anything against it but we should raise this issue in obc commission of India." Per the No Legal Threats policy: "A legal threat, in this context, is a threat to engage in an external (real life) legal or other governmental process that would target other editors." (Emphasis added.) A proposal to raise anything with the OBC Commission is a proposal to engage in an external governmental process. It would seem to me to be a clear legal threat, but we'll see what the admins say. The bottom line is that we've decided that threats to bring in parties outside of Wikipedia, especially legal/governmental ones, warps, manipulates, and chills the possibility of proper discussion and discourse. — TransporterMan (TALK) 22:08, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Sir I understand what I did may be against the Wikipedia regulation act and I will respect there action. But yes still I believe what I should. The editor I complained about is not considering the documents provided by many users. His content in many Wikipedia page about Indian caste system which I found very offensive. When at some point while discussing about the same topic I address he maintained that he will not considering a point maintain by a author puratan(means old era) world but at the same to he is relating Varna system to cast system of India where Varna was puratan period social hierarchy and caste system was a century old tradition during British era by simply reference to some journal and book by foreign author who clearly maintain they assume there Varna.But at the same time books written by some Indian authors address the Varna in different. Actually in wikipidia Varna page it is clearly mentioned that a cultivater and agriculturalists is comes under Vaishya Varna. It is a very complicated subject so with any thoroug discuss it is very hard to address between Vaishya and Sudra Varna system. As due to mugal rules followed by British gov in India many things changed accordingly in Indian society. We just request him to remove that Varna part unless at until no such evidence . Hope you got my point sir. Nice experience with u and wish u happy New year. S Das0406 (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Transporter Bridge

Hi! Saw on your userboxes you like transporter bridges, so I thought I should share Vizcaya Bridge with you, a bridge from my home town (and from my understanding the world's oldest transporter bridge, but that might be wrong). You can take a tour of the top, and from there see the whole Bilbao Abra as well as the mountains to both sides, like in the image I've thumbnailed to the side. It's only a shame I'm so afraid of heights... A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 08:57, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate it very much. I spent a few years studying and cataloguing transporter bridges so I'm quite familiar with Vizcaya (which is not only the oldest existing transporter bridge but probably the first one ever built). The irony is that I've never seen one in person, more's the pity. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

Help with a dispute

Hi! You've given me good advice before on disputes, so I hope you don't mind me asking for some more. This is a bit of an unusual situation, as I myself am not a party to the dispute nor has either dispute requested resolution, but I really want to do as much as I can to prevent the issue from continuing what I see as a probable path towards ANI. A very new editor, Polycarpa aurata (PA) recently started a COIN thread involving Tomwsulcer, an experienced editor with over 20k edits. After the thread, PA proceeded to investigate some more of Tom's edits. I note that this could be a violation of WP:HOUND, but I think the rookie's intentions are good. PA posted this thread on my user page, so I replied there the best I could. I also wrote a message on Tom's page that amongst other things reminded him not to edit war, go to the proper noticeboards for disputes, and not to bite the newbies. He's since blanked the page without responding. I'm afraid the issue might be heading towards a drama-prone noticeboard but really want to avoid that as I don't think that's a great experience to have when you've only made 200 edits, and likewise fear editors getting their behaviour picked apart after years of contributing might retire out of anger. What can I do? Should I even do anything? Apologies for the wall of text, A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 14:22, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

While that may not be a great experience for a newcomer, he's jumped right into the middle of some controversial areas. I note that his reversion of Sulcer's additions to Raynard S. Kington, per his assertion on the talk page that they aren't supported by the cited materials, have not been re-reverted. While Sulcer hasn't replied to that talk page note, neither has he reverted. This edit by Polycarpa is concerning, on the other hand, and I'm thinking seriously about reverting it. And this edit seems either unnecessarily antagonistic or naive. I think you've given good advice on your talk page, but unless one or the other of them comes to you for help my recommendation would be that you just let things work out. Polycarpa has jumped into the deep end of the pool and he needs to learn to sink or swim. Remember that the admonition about not biting newbies has always been observed more in the breach than the observance and is almost never, at least in my experience, the basis for any administrative or ANI action. If I've missed the point - which I'm sometimes wont to do - please let me know. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:33, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice, TransporterMan :). A. C. Santacruz ⁂ Please ping me! 12:12, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

User:BlueboyLINY

User:BlueboyLINY keeps deleting discussions on talk pages, then puts personal attacks on my talk page. User:BlueboyLINY has a WP:COI. 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 02:37, 20 February 2022 (UTC)W

Speak to an administrator (I'm not one) or after *carefully* reading and following the instructions (which you did not do at Third Opinion), file at ANI. Those are the remedies for conduct violations. — TransporterMan (TALK) 20:11, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Religion in Egypt

Well, well. Not only was that dispute premature, but the filing editor was ranting, and was then blocked as a sockpuppet. That didn't last long. Thanks. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:26, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

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Quesion

Hi. Hope you are doing well. I am writing with regards to your removal of 3O request. WP:DISCFAIL and WP:THIRD require ensure the issue has been thoroughly discussed on the article talk page. I could not find any word requiring it to be "recent". The issue for the case I had raised was discussed in details and discussion reached to the point where one party quit responding since they didn't have anything further to say. I reached for advise on how to handle such circumstances, if other side is not interested to reply anymore, and was told to use dispute resolution board in such cases.

Moreover, I do not see how being recent or 2 month old would make a difference in this case, both sides said their arguments, have nothing else to add and consensus still not reached. Considering all said, can you please relook your decision and reinstate 3O? Thanks in advance! Abrvagl (talk) 09:39, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Hi TransporterMan, I saw your close too. That thread was split for some reason, my replies are actually below it, see Talk:Anti-Armenian_sentiment_in_Azerbaijan#Destruction_of_cultural_heritage discussion. I want to clarify some things since I'm being misrepresented here; A) I didn't "quit" the discussion, I had the feeling it was becoming circular so I didn't plan to repeat myself for the 4th or 5th time; B) I made my point very clear regarding Medvedev statement and I still don't find the need to elaborate further. To be honest, I'm not interested in this 2-month-old revived discussion and I find your close to be accurate since that discussion stopped seeing engagement for a long time. And btw, the other issue discussed regarding Hyperallergic was raised in RSN by OP himself, Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_376#Hyperallergic. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 10:17, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

The recency requirement is implied in the requirement for discussion. When discussion stops for more than a few days without explanation then there is a presumption that at least one of the parties has chosen to walk away from the discussion and, if they then later come back to it, that they are engaging in sour grapes. The recency requirement is enforced at both 3O and Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. Since there's been a bit more discussion since I removed the 3O listing, it might be enough to avoid another removal at either 3O or DRN. Feel free to relist or file at DRN and I'll leave it to another volunteer to decide whether or not it will "stick". If that doesn't work and dispute resolution is still required here, then I would suggest filing a request for comments, which has a much lighter - if, indeed, any at all - discussion requirement and allowing it to run for its full normal 30 days. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:22, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Thanks TransporterMan. I will remove your comment on the talk page and relist the 3O request. --Abrvagl (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

The comments from today weren't regarding Medvedev, but another concern OP had (again from 2 months ago). The last thread on that talk page actually touches 3 issues at once, it's very messy and I can see how it confuses outside editors. At least the Hyperallergic "NewsBlog" and reliableness part was resolved in RSN. ZaniGiovanni (talk) 20:04, 29 June 2022 (UTC)

Second Opinion

I usually just leave whenever someone reverts my edits, but I'm not so sure about what's going on here. I hope you don't mind if I ask for a second opinion from someone else who has experience mediating, especially since I'm used to being the only editor, editing pages that everybody seems to find too boring. Am I really that out of line in my edit discussion here?. Are SPECIFICO's points valid? I think I need to ask someone who's not myself for a second here. Sorry for bugging you. Fephisto (talk) 01:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

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Diwali

I think that your signature doesn't show up on the close because you used the wrong number of tildes. Can you replace the timestamp with a four-tilde signature that will also show the timestamp?

Also, in the iMore close, I see that you had some idea what the request was. I had no idea what it was, because it was so messy, and would have closed it as not properly filed or something. Thank you. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:33, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Oops, tilde key must've bounced. Fixed, thanks. And I started to do just that with iMore, but I saw what they were trying to do. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:29, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Removal at WP:3O

Hi @TransporterMan:, could you tell me why you removed the request here? We were still waiting for a third opinion and neither of us has moved on. 1AmNobody24 (talk) 06:33, 16 February 2023 (UTC)

As it said in my edit comment: "Stale, on list > 6 days, see instructions". If you'd done that, you would have found at Wikipedia:Third_opinion#Instructions: "Requests are subject to being removed from the list if no volunteer chooses to provide an opinion within six days after they are listed below. If your dispute is removed for that reason (check the history to see the reason), please feel free to re-list your dispute if you still would like to obtain an opinion—indicate that it's been re-listed in your entry. If removed a second time due to no volunteer giving an opinion, please do not relist again." Generally, if a 3O request hasn't been taken by a volunteer in the first six days, it's not going to happen (and most relistings don't get a response, either). If you still need dispute resolution, it would probably be better to move on to DRN or RFC. — TransporterMan (TALK) 18:46, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

So WP:3O is pretty much useless if no one answers it. Got it. 1AmNobody24 (talk) 09:36, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

All dispute resolution at Wikipedia - like, indeed, all of Wikipedia - is run by volunteers, so no one is required to do anything. 3O is especially that way since the opinions are nonbinding and can be largely offhand. My observation is that despite those factors, 3O solves a dispute in well more than half the cases. — TransporterMan (TALK) 23:18, 19 February 2023 (UTC)