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Criticism

I don't mind be criticized myself, though you should do it on the talk page. Thanks. Hyacinth 08:17, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Smokies

Nice work at the new smokie article - I don't really know much about it but thought it required an article seeing as how it's been in the news a bit. Cheers, violet/riga (t) 15:00, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Picture

What a nice picture of gumbo! It makes me want to have some sent in for lunch right now!! 67.100.50.200 16:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

No, these pictures were taken by Jon Sullivan (http://www.jonsullivan.com/) not me. He kindly publishes these images on his PDphoto.org (http://www.pdphoto.org/) so we can use it. His food photos are fantastic! -- Toytoy 19:16, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

Wikistory

I'm utterly confused by your latest entry - aurochs is a noun, not an adjdective! Thryduulf 14:11, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I used Random Page to fetch a keyword. And I liked Sofia Rivera so much that I just ignored every grammar rules. I feel guilty about it. Are you going to sue me? -- Toytoy 16:33, May 24, 2005 (UTC)

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Comment. Sinreg SV|t 04:41, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Leonardos

You said on VFD, "I found three duplicate high school stubs that I think the subject itself is not noteworthy. How do you think?".

Please read Wikipedia:Schools, it may give you the answer you seek. Yours, Radiant_* 08:48, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)

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Golf balls and 333 dimples

I saw your comment on Talk:Golf balls. I've asked the question on the reference desk as I'm interested in the answer too. Maybe it has something to do with 3*3*37? --HappyCamper 00:48, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Executive Order 13233

Kudos and thanks for your contributions to the EO 13233 article, Toytoy!. Please look at the link, on the Robots exclusion file article, to a webpage describing the extensive use of such coding by the White House website - to veil the scope of malfeasance perpetrated by the illegitimate administration. The Robots article hasn't been fleshed out yet, but there is a tangible degree of relevance perhaps meriting inclusion of a Wikilink in the EO 13233 article. Perhaps you would consider revisiting the issue after the Robots article is better developed? Ombudsman 04:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I did not notice that! If I were a watchdog, I'll use a website grabber to dowwnload every possible WH pages everyday, and post it on my website, say, www.whitehouseforrobots.com, and let Google, Yahoo!, MSN, everyone index it. You can configure your own site grabber to ignore robot.txt. I think most WH pages belong to public domain. Am I right?

The robot.txt, I guess, is not a part of the Executive Order 13233. It may not even have a legal background. Anyway, laws are irrelevant when it comes to the Bushland. I guess you may want to put this information in some other relevant pages, say White House. Don't forget to recheck if the robot.txt files are still there. -- My true identity: The Depth-Challenged Throat 04:37, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

What about ...

... a master article, Torture and abduction by the U.S. Government? Drawing together all documented cases, spotlighting rendition and (as far as possible) the existence of a network of secret police camps? AI, Red Cross, Human Rights Watch could be sources, and of course it would have to summarize and link to Bagram et al... thoughts? BrandonYusufToropov 12:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think some people will not like it. That's why we create individual articles for each exposed, alleged or proven case of abuse. During and after the WW2, many German POWs were well-treated by U.S. soldiers. They became friends of the U.S. As a Chinese Christian, I am amused by the generally sub-standard treatment of non-POWs offered by the U.S. today. Maybe it's because the Iraqis and Afghans lack the power to retaliate. If U.S. soldiers abused German POWs, German soldiers would had abused U.S. POWs as well. Therefore they evolved a live and let live mutual respect. However, this is not the case with this unfair war. Also not the case with most invasions after the Vietnam war. If the North Vietnamese had a strategic air force, the U.S. would not dare to do the carpet bombing and chemical warefare.

I think one article at a time is what we can do today. The U.S. involvement will end someday. Possibly not much better than the Vietnam retreat. But the Iraqi civil war among conflicting factions may continue for years to come. I hate to see it happen. -- Toytoy 13:23, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

I take your point, but I can't see the fact that such an article would not be popular as a reason it shouldn't exist. (Each article for each individual case is not necessarily popular, but together they add up to a trend, and it's an important trend the mainstream US media is, for whatever reasons, not reporting.) Anyway, it's worth thinking about ... many thanks for your insights, which I wish policymakers shared ... BrandonYusufToropov 13:58, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's why I used the term "pattern of abuse" by the New York Times. -- Toytoy 14:24, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Adam Lopez

I have heard him pitch a B7 (under C8), but not a C#8. The same person has made three edits. I'm trying to verify if the top of the piano is C7 or C8 (we hear talk of people pitching above the top of a piano, but at c8, it would be ridiculous). I'm calling music stores now! I would suspect that Guinness would have updated the website, if the record were true? Antares33712 14:14, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The order is C D E F G A B, am I right? I hated music classes when I was a kid. I am placing links that lead to our discussion on several related pages. Hopefully people in the know will answer the questions in a few days. God, they are not human. How could you sing like them? -- Toytoy 14:31, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

So right. If you can, go to www.minnieriperton.com. See if you can listen to You Take My Breath Away, and imagine a MAN being able to pitch almost one octave higher than her high note (which sounds appropriate for advertising the arctic tundra :-) Antares33712 15:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, if you go, click on lyrics and audio (upper left corner), then the fifth album cover from the left on the top row. She is wearing a black hat and red blouse with curly shoulder-length hair. Then select You Take My Breath Away. The high note she hits is not near what Adam Lopez is reputed to being able to do. Antares33712 15:44, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The direct link to Riperton's You Take My Breath Away is http://www.minnieriperton.com/sub/1sub/musica/music/takemybreath.rm . However, http://www.freehostz.com/notes_and_octaves/minnieriperton.html says Riperton could only reach C7, that's much lower than F#7. -- Toytoy 16:02, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Re: Record for C#8, but he hit an E8 on TV?

• Question, if Adam Lopez hit an E8 (E four octaves above Middle C), which is higher than C#8 (the notes start C,D,E,F,G,A,B, then C one octave higher than the starting C, with a # being halfway between the C and the D), why isn't the Guiness Record for E8? I mean, if he hit the E8 on television, shouldn't he have gotten credit for the E8, not the C#8. If you listen to Minnie Riperton's You Take MY Breath Away, the piercing, fresh from the Arctic high note she hits is F#7 for comparison. I don't doubt his abilities, I have heard and am convinced of his coloratura, but this is getting more contradictory by the second. Antares33712 15:34, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, my childhood memory of music theories is coming back :). I know an octave higher is frequency doubled. I just don't have the mental picture of all these sounds. -- Toytoy 16:02, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)

Re: octaves, Adam Lopez and the like.

I read your comments (in Adam Lopez and whistle register) and posted and article on the octave scale. Read it and tell me if you like it, if not I'll speedy it.

Antares33712 22:51, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

My vote is keep. However, I think we can stll make that article a little bit less demanding to those musically challenged people like me. How about a list of piano keyboard notes with names and frequencies and singers? I mean we may list singers in the highest and lowest ranges. -- Toytoy 00:59, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)

Why did you edit my signature?

Why, on Talk:McDojo, did you edit my signature everywhere on the page? Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 08:50, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I have setup my Privoxy to filter some annoying HTML tags including "color=" because I hate to read cluttered pages (large, small, blinking and colorful texts in several fonts). On my computer, I only see 16-point amber-colored Trebuchet on a black background flowing from left to right (no indents). When I edit talk pages, I may switch off the filter if people use these complex signatures. But sometimes I just forgot it. -- Toytoy 09:57, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what happened, though; I mean, your Privoxy setting shouldn't alter the content, only filter it. If it's leading to this sort of incident, you might think about altering its settings; while this case was more perplexing than annoying, you might run into more significant problems in other cases. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 11:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

When you hit edit, the server will send your web browser an edit box filled with text. With Privoxy in the middle, it will filter the text and give the browser a filtered version.

• Server: [[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]]
• Privoxy: [[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]]
• Browser: [[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font "green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]]
• You edit the text and hit "save page".
• The browser sends the filtered and then edited text to the server.

This is what happend with my setting. Since I don't visit most other web forums, this setting is OK with me. Even though I have to disable it when I am usinjg some other paid databade. In the late 1990s, when I was using Macintosh, I used another more extreme set of filters. I used to remove all table tags. Sorry for my unintended edits. -- Toytoy 16:07, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)

That's OK; I didn't mean to nag, I was just worried that you might hit a bigger problem later. So long as you're happy it won't, that's fine. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:29, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Al Qaeda and Guantanamo

World Press Review (VOL. 49, No. 4) makes reference to "Al-Qaeda prisoners being transported to the X-Ray camp in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba." [1] Are there any other detainees there I should be aware of?

I ask this without prejudice to any of the other issues being discussed there. If it's a mix of Al Qaeda and other fighters, then I would be wrong to lump them all together as Al Qaeda. There might even be some non-combatants who got swept up in the dragnet. -- Uncle Ed (talk) 17:07, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Ed, you're quite liberal with evidence around here. Do not play double standard. You may want to step back. -- Toytoy 17:26, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

You got my attention with the reference to "double standard". What do you have in mind? -- Uncle Ed (talk) 19:33, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)

Cray-3 edit

Apple never had a Cray-3. They couldn't have, only one was built and it was used at NCAR. The article clearly outlines all of this... did you read it?

Maury 21:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, I noticed that mistake and stopped editing. I will check out the type of Cray purchased by Apple. -- Toytoy 00:43, Jun 15, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Causes célèbres

I notice you added Chu Mei-Feng to this category. It's been voted for deletion but I am trying to save it. Please come to Votes for undeletion to express your view. David | Talk 17:46, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ed Poor has been kind enough to nominate me for an adminship

Anyone who is interested in voting one way or the other is invited to the discussion here. BrandonYusufToropov 17:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Brandon, except for the Qu'ran desecration article, I haven't had working experience with you. I'd like to vote support based on the friendship and what I have learned during the past couple of weeks about you. But this nomination is inproper in my opinion. I think I'll respect Ed Poor even less. If the mediation is finished, Ed is lost and suspended/de-admined and he still likes you afterall, I'll cast a support vote. However, based on Ed's past lack of integrity, I am reluctant to cast my vote. Nor will I question it in your vote page or anywhere else save for this page which is monitored by very few people I guess.

Sorry, if you are nominated by anyone else unrelated with Ed Poor, I'll vote for you. But currently, based on what I observed during the past couple of weeks, I think Ed wants to something. Sorry, I don't want to vote this time. Good luck! Hope you win your adminship my friend. After the vote is finished, I'll raise the issue of nomination abuse on Wikipedia:Village pump (policy). -- Toytoy 04:40, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Article I and Article III tribunals

Aha! You beat me to this one, and by a few minutes, too! Here is what I had written so far, please feel free to incorporate as desired:

Article III of the United States Constitution vests the judicial power of the United States in the Federal Courts, and requires that all Federal judges have lifetime tenure and irreducable salaries. Therefore, any court created by Congress where the judges do not have lifetime tenure or secured salaries must exist under some other provision in the Constitution.

An Article I Court or Legislative Court is a Court established by the United States Congress pursuant to its powers under Article I of the United States Constitution, instead of under Article III. The existence of Article I Courts has been controversial, and their power has been challenged before the United States Supreme Court, which has determined that the Constitution places certain restrictions on Article I courts.

Cheers, -- BD2412 ^talk 01:14, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

No, I did not. This highly valuable article was created by User:DLJessup. I merely created some redirects. Now I am going to create some categories. -- Toytoy 02:24, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Indeed - but the article looks fantastic now! Thanks for your edits. -- BD2412 ^talk 02:30, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

Now we have two useful categories: Category:Article I tribunals and Category:Article III tribunals. It looks nice when things are properly in order. -- Toytoy 02:36, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

I'm very happy to see the quick development of this article - it is a beautiful thing when the law is made clear to those outside of it. -- BD2412 ^talk 03:16, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

I think this is the first time anything I've worked on has made it to the main page! -- BD2412 ^talk 16:52, 2005 Jun 24 (UTC)

lots of edits, not an admin

Hi - I made a list of users who've been around long enough to have made lots of edits but aren't admins. If you're at all interested in becoming an admin, can you please add an '*' immediately before your name in this list? I've suggested folks nominating someone might want to puruse this list, although there is certainly no guarantee anyone will ever look at it. Thanks. -- Rick Block (talk) June 28, 2005 04:00 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Law

Hello Toytoy. I've recently been posting lots of articles on common law topics (e.g. Leasehold estate, Third party beneficiary, Lesser included offense), and I have discovered that there is an unfortunate lack of consistency and connectivity in Wikipedia articles on the common law. I have therefore proposed at the largely defunct Wikipedia:WikiProject Law that we make a major project of overhauling the whole thing, one key area at a time. Will you be interested in joining? -- BD2412 ^talk July 1, 2005 03:11 (UTC)

I don't want to make a promise this time because I am such an unreliable sporadic "drive-by" editor that I always got carried away by some newly found topics. I think I am nothing but a guideless wiki surfer. I'll study your proposal and other established rules, though. -- Toytoy July 1, 2005 03:47 (UTC)

I understand - I appreciate your candor, and hope you'll find yourself drawn to the project. Cheers! -- BD2412 ^talk July 1, 2005 04:52 (UTC)

DYK

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HTML

Hi there.

I've just gone and edited an old posting of yours on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Race and intelligence; it had a strikeout text section. However, you had this as <strike>...<strike> not <strike>...</strike>; as such, the tag didn't close, and possibly because it was html and not wiki-syntax it sort of... kept going. Which really fouled things up in Opera (though it was fine in IE)... it's strange, I'm sure I'd viewed that page before, when the VfD was live and it was okay. Perhaps a later edit to the page screwed something up?

Anyway, just thought I'd let you know. (I figure if I'm going to be editing closed VfDs, I may as well explain to someone) Shimgray 4 July 2005 17:10 (UTC)

Oops! I did make a coding mistake. Thank you for your correction. -- Toytoy July 4, 2005 17:15 (UTC)

Can you please ...

... take a look at my work here, and perhaps add it to your watchlist? Many thanks, BrandonYusufToropov 13:05, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Update. User:Carbonite instantly reverted. BrandonYusufToropov 13:20, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

Have jobs to do. Can't do that right now but I will check the history in a couple of days. -- Toytoy 13:53, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

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DYK

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Deletion

I did not delete said article due to the fact that it was not factual. I deleted it because it had a single line of text with no context and had been sitting on the database for two hours, exactly as you point out. That is a criterion for speedy deletion according to both the new and the old rules. Nevertheless, the deletion changes nothing. You are still free to create a better version of the article on whatever manner you see fit. The fact that I deleted it does not mean you can't re-create it on a better state. Try giving a read at Wikipedia:Stub and next time you create a very short article, please at least outline what the subject is about, why it is notable, what are its main positive and maybe negative points. It does not cost more than a few minutes of your time and it prevents incidents such as these from happening. Feel free to post further questions on my Talk page. --Sn0wflake 23:39, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

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Simple english/conlang?

Hey, I never noticed it before, when the discussion for your wiki killer proposal was going on, but, you labeled simple english as a conlang. Why do you consider it a conlang? I just consider it well...simple english... --Phroziac (talk) 19:24, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

From Basic English:

Basic English is a simplified English language with a small number of words created by Charles Kay Ogden and described in his book Basic English: A General Introduction with Rules and Grammar (1930).

Since the Simple English Wikipedia is more or less based on Basic English, I think it is artificial. Basic English was not developed in somewhere by some people. It was developed by, in fact, one linguist. I know each contributor do have his/her way to simplify English. Some may not even know anything about Basic English or other comparable linguistic efforts, they just learn from others and use their common sense. I think the Simple English Wikipedia would not be very "artificial" if there are many such common sense users. -- Toytoy 23:01, August 5, 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm, ok, but I still just consider it uh...english without big words like dichloridofluoromethane ;) --Phroziac (talk) 01:13, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Spolied Vegetarians

You wrote:

If you're rich and you're living in a rich society, you may eat a healthy diet with nearly whatever restrictions so long as you are allowed to cherry pick your food and take any required supplements.

I guess I can eat just apples and live very well. If I have the money, I can probably separate the minute amounts of protein from the sugar-rich apple. If the protein lacks some sort of essential amino acid, I'll take some algae- or bacteria-based supplements. I'll also take linseed oil pills and maybe some multivitamins and fiber pills.

As long as you have money, you can do anything you want.

Vegetarianism, in my opinion, is for spoiled kids. When you eat vegetables, you discard lots of tissues. Humans cannot digest fiber. Therefore, many plants' roots, stems and leaves must be abandoned. We are not cows. We are closer to tigers. If I have the money, I can probably feed a great white shark using only plant-derived fats and proteins. I only need to throw away fibres and sugars.

I know some of you may say you're eating a whole cabbage. So what? Cabbages are grown in a highly fertilized field. To get your cabbage, it takes over 100 years of cultivation. Otherwise, you get weeds. These vegetables are on the top of the food chain. They consume nitrogen supplied from fertilizers. And it takes lots of efforts to keep bugs away from your cabbage. These are not normal wild plants.

Anyway, eating fruits only is not for the rest of us. -- Toytoy 18:29, Apr 21, 2005 (UTC) - From talk:Fructarianism

Are you saying you never eat vegetables? And the meat you eat comes from the same (and most likely worse) "cultivation" methods as my diet (as a vegetarian). Furthermore, a vegetarian diet is cheaper. Meat costs more money than vegetables therefopre you don't need to be 'spoiled' to be a vegetarian. A vegetarian diet has also been proved to be more varied so I have no idea how you can believe such things. Have they been researched? --Celestianpower ^talk 09:46, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Fact: People cannot eat most wild plants. We simply cannot digest fiber. We have to consume highly refined plant parts. Either we grow high quality vegetables and manually process them or we let the cows do the job.

Eating an apple after a beef and potato meal is totally different from eating fruits and nuts only. Religious ideas aside, it will be highly inefficient to grow so many fruits and nuts for everybody on Earth. This is not a workable answer for all of us. Outside the U.S., most of us use less developed lands to raise farm animals. Many of us feed our pigs with leftover foods and unedible fish parts. That's why a total vegetarian solution is considered unrealistic by me. -- Toytoy 10:06, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

1. We could grow our own or at least some of our own (I know; not all that practical)
2. And buing Organic involves less "manual processing" (although still quite a bit I agree).
3. Less developed land to raise farm animals? This is equally bad, if not worse, than growing vegetables on this land. People in Africa/S. America/Indonesia cut down rainforests, graise cows on the for a couple of years then move on because they've created savvannah or desert. This is not good. We need the rainforests, not more desert. It takes a few days to destroy a rainforest but 50 years to grow a new one.
4. We should be putting these things into composting and using the compost to grow new vegetables.

Don't get me wrong, I eat eggs and milk but only organic free range because I need to know that the animals weren't raised in a large metal barn with no natural light and magnesium on the floor that gives the animals very painful sores and with so little movement (because they're so packed in) that they literally get to the stage where they can't move. That is wrong. --Celestianpower ^talk 10:22, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Please allow me to fix your wiki coding, or it will be very difficult to read your words. I did not change your words.

People in Africa/S. America/Indonesia cut down their rainforests with or without the meat industry. You still need land to grow plant foods. Yes, the area used to grow grains shall be smaller but it will be offset by the endless growth of population in a matter of years. There will still be famine and poverty unless they take their pills and wear their condoms. Otherwise, there will be more grain fields and more plant food wastes. We feed our livestock with unedible parts, what do we do if we don't eat animals as well?

In addition, fields to grow grains consume more water, more infrastructure, more fertilizer and more pesticide than livestock farms. That means more waste and more pollution. Admit it, vegetarianism is not a viable solution. The more artificial restrictions (no eggs, no milk, fruits only ...), the more problems.

By the way, it is extremely difficult to create compost from fiberous materials only. Try to bulid a compost using mainly straw, leaves and rice hull and you will know what I mean. Technically, we use hog and chicken manure to accelerate fermentation. Without animals, there will not be compost. However, this is not without its problems because animal manures may contain excess antibiotics. Human wastes are generally even worse because people take all kinds of drugs. -- Toytoy 11:30, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Your previous edit erased some texts by mistake. Allow me to restore the erased texts. I'll answer later. Have some work to do. Can't waste too much time here. -- Toytoy 12:10, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you.

If it was just Africans/S. Americans/Indonesians cutting down the rainforests then that would be better than multinationals doing the same thing but I do take your point about population growth. There is enough natural resources in this Earth for each and every person to live without needing to cut down rainforests ...etc... but they don't do it this way. They do it the cheapest and "Easiest" way possible. So what if it's unsustainable.

You didn't take my composting point. Also think about crop rotations. Legumes, clover and some other plants actually re-nitrate (if thats a real word) the soil. This means that one doesn't need to keep cutting down more and more rainforests. A totally vegetarian world is sustainable and viable but we have to go about it right yet none of the World leaders want to take this on. They prefer to kill their plannet by raising livestock on rainforest land and doing nothing to stop it turning into desert. Its a disgrace. --Celestianpower ^talk 11:32, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Crop rotation is easier said than done. Farmers are highly speculative. If growing rice makes money, they'll grow rice in masse. It shall be easier to let some of them grow alfalfa at a time when growing rice makes money if you have a powerful, totalitaran, do-everything police state. But this is usualy not the case. Police state, yes; has power to do things, no. There are hundreds, if not more, external factors that break crop rotation plans. It's generally easier to let animals and factories to do the jobs (machines, fertilizer, pesticide, DNA tweaks). However, the more you do, the less a farmer earns.

A totally vegetarian world is utopia. Aborginal peoples everywhere are eating plant foods along with insects and any available animals. Most of them are still in shortage of protein (oedema, big stomaches). -- Toytoy 12:23, August 6, 2005 (UTC)

pizza dough (yummm)

dig those classic shots at Pizza! nice job. just started making pizza again. so much fun to aim for the perfect pie. SaltyPig 04:26, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

These pictures were not taken by me. You may visit http://www.pdphoto.org for more. That site is truly fantastic. -- Toytoy 05:40, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Patent pool

FYI, I have created an article about patent pooling. I stole some sentences from Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/April_2005_II#RW_CDs. Cheers. --Edcolins 09:58, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Stealing is divine. Hell with copyrights. -- Toytoy 10:11, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

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Visual Basic Classic wikibook

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Blue screen of death/Red screen of death

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VfD: RD archive/2005 questions

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spiritus Intus Alit

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Lili Marleen

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Mexican jumping beans

A long, long, long time ago you asked me about getting pictures for Mexican jumping beans. The article has a picture of the 4 beans that I had, plus, another Wikipedian took a picture of the moth! Enjoy, and have a fantastic holiday season and New Years! --HappyCamper 17:50, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

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Also Image:Natilus 1 bg 022402.jpg, Image:Tarpit 3 bg 081101.jpg. dbenbenn | talk 22:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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Glass Trap

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Ant colony

I saw that you participated in the discussion regarding the verfiability of some of the content in Ant colony. I've provided a source for each claim in the paragraph that was removed. Who'd have thought it was true? ;) Let me know if there's any more problems. — Rebelguys2 ^talk 13:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Real Player questions

Look here --- I replied to your question. Mike Beckham 13:58, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Image moved

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Thank you to your good work

Hello, Toytoy. I am Was a bee, Japanese wikipedian. I want to report that I used your good work this for new image. New image which I already uploaded to Wikimedia Commonsis is this. This is used at ja.wikipedia ドット落ち(Dot-Ochi) page. Ochi is Japanese word means "down" or "fail".

Thank you Toytoy! Was a bee 06:13, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

   Toytoy , King Kong 2005 is a cool movie!

Long talk page

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Korean utensils

Hi, I added a short, new reply to your question at the reference desk. You might want to have a look. :) --Kjoonlee 07:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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