User talk:Torinir/Archive1

[1]--MONGO 04:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I don't disagree with you in the least, and certainly, a pause before editing after making a suggestion for a substantive change should be the norm since people from all over the world edit Wikipedia and this would allow everyone a chance to chime in. I don't know how we would enforce it though. I think, in retrospect that the page should have been protected from editing and the dispute could have reached some kind of concensus through discussion. This works for awhile, however, since this operation has newcommers everyday, after a few months or less, it seems, the same arguments spring back up again. Happy editing. Oh, also, post comments at the end of talk pages...I'll move your comment to me.--MONGO 05:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

True. Though at least with a paper trail of citations on the talk page (preferably all together in once place) it'll keep arguments focused and, hopefully, logical. I will agree that enforcing a 24 hour comment time is going to be hard to make work, unless it could be coded to take effect with an administrator flag of an article perhaps? Protection of the 9-11 articles would service, although in deference to the opposing view, perhaps an Alternative 9/11 Theories article or stub? I don't dispute the fact that most don't think it is worthy of inclusion in the main article, although it may have enough outside support to have a stub or small article of its own.

Torinir 06:01, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The are dozens of pages that discuss each building, even the four airplanes that hit the WTC, Pentagon, etc...there does exist the article 9/11 conspiracy theories, which is a pretty long article that incorporates, in summary style, most of the more widely held non mainstream thoughts on the matter.--MONGO 06:21, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. They could have started their own article, with relevant citations. No need to start an edit war, imho. --Torinir 06:25, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

MedCab on AS

Not so fast :-) The user appears to have started that mediation for the sole purpose of harassing me, he didn't back up a single allegation, and the case needs to be closed in a way that I'm also satisfied. Sandy 23:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. But he initiated the action for one reason only; he gave not an ounce of evidence for anything, smeared me on AN/I, MedCab, the AS talk page, and my talk page. I have recorded the final AN/I statements on the MedCab case, and will make a final statement there, because it was not a genuine attempt at mediation. It was a smear. Sandy 23:51, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Torinir, when you read this comment you might like to note that the same editor User:SandyGeorgia insists that yet another user, asking her to "keep a cool head" is making a personal attack [2] and later suggests he should be blocked from editing for such, is there a double standard at work here or what?

Not true. Mischaracterization. I suggest he could be blocked for persistently blanking article content, against policy, and that continuing to characterize edits as vandalism can be construed as a personal attack. Sandy 01:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

She also only posted the penultimate WP:ANI statements, and omitted the final ones because they didn't suit her [3] and [4], I put the omitted statements in a minute ago [5] and [6] but, whatever User:SandyGeorgia thinks to the contrary there is NO WAY this should be your problem, as she said herself [7]:

Per the instructions at the top of this page (Please be aware that these pages aren't the place to bring disputes over content, or reports of abusive behaviour — we aren't referees, and have limited authority to deal with abusive editors. We have a dispute resolution procedure which we recommend you follow. Please take such disputes to mediation, requests for comment, or requests for arbitration rather than here. Please do not post slurs of any kind on this page, and note that any messages that egregiously violate Wikipedia's civility or personal attacks policies will be removed.), I respectfully request that this issue be taken to proper channels, and struck from this page. This doesn't seem to have the best means of addressing the issue, or the right place for it. Thanks, Sandy 16:28, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So, it seems to me you just did what the lady wanted, or, in fact, were just too late to do it, because User:Kylu got there first? --Zeraeph 01:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You may be confusing the origin of that quote. Those instructions are from the top of the AN/I page, where you shouldn't have taken the dispute. They are clearly marked as a copy from AN/I. Taking it to Mediation was perfectly appropriate, and is what you might have done the first time. Actually, talking to me first would have been even better :-)) Now, do you want to mediate this or do you not? Sandy 01:31, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

May I direct you to your own talk page where, this discussion is appropriate, (here it is not) for my final answer on that. --Zeraeph 01:45, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this was a conversation initiated here by me, and that you came into. Sandy 01:54, 23 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Let's take a few deep breaths and let cooler heads prevail here. What are the core issues? Perhaps an outside voice may bring the debate into a new perspective and, if not getting everyone agreeing, at least allowing for civilized discussion and compromise. I'm going to create a subpage for this discussion so that it'll leave my main talk page free for others, and allow the main article's talk page to stay on the topic of improving the Asperger's Syndrome article. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 15:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[8] Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 16:18, 24 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment

I hadn't even noticed that![9] I assure you that if I had, I would have tried to get someone else to do the block. Happy editing.--MONGO 04:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

hehehe. it's amazing what one's mind can do when the drone of a tech support caller endlessly talking about inane subjects while software uninstalls threatens mental atrophy. ;P Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 06:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User System Administrator

I have removed the System Administrator template from your User page, because you are not one, and masquerading as one is not acceptable. User:Zoe|(talk) 01:53, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Depends on the definition of a System Administrator. I do administer a network, as well as provide technical support. If it mentioned that I was a WIKIPEDIA SysOp, then I could see the exception taken. Please refrain from editing User pages in that fashion again. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 02:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Put it back and you'll be blocked. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I never did, but don't threaten me in that manner. I never realized that that box was a reserved one for WP admins. Nowhere in the box itself does it mention that it's a WP administrator tag. There's enough UBX's out there and given my background, it was the closest one that described me in that area. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 02:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now that I've had the time and checked up on the UBX issue, it seems you were incorrect, Zoe, about the Computer Administrator UBX. It is NOT reserved for WP admins. They get a different UBX. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 10:49, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry

I just wanted you to know that Zoe thinks you're my sockpuppet. See me page, I've left a statement. I am so, so sorry.

History21 03:21, 3 August 2006 (UTC)History21[reply]

Heh. No worries. I'm no sock of anyone. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 05:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regret

I regret that your time appears to have been wasted over the SOF UK article, thankyou for your efforts to facilitate a compromise. Regards ALR 05:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Sometimes an issue can't be worked out. At least an attempt was made to resolve it. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 08:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked

You have been blocked for 24 hours for restoring the {{User System Administrator}} template on your User page. Do it again and the block will be for 48 hours. User:Zoe|(talk) 23:18, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bad faith block for improper reasoning. Zoe assumes that I'm impersonating a WP admin, based on a PUBLIC UserBox. Even after being shown he was incorrect, he proceeded to block.

May also be retaliatory for the Hipocrite RFC.

Requesting ArbCom as well.

Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 23:37, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have undone this block, as it was based apparently on a mistaken assumption. Friday (talk) 00:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I can only assume what is going on here, and it's something I don't like thinking about, but if it's fact, it's dangerous. If it's more toward good faith, which I'm hoping it is, then it can be resolved quickly. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 00:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It was not based on a mistaken assumption, I know excatly what you're up to. User:Zoe|(talk) 02:45, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fill me in, then. I'm missing a lot of the picture here. Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 03:07, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would this devious plan involve WP:AGF by any chance? Ashibaka tock 02:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looking for a little assistance

Hey there, I'm wondering if I could get a little assistance with the Unreal Tournament 2007 article. It's been flagged as possibly containing original research, though I only see one statement with a {{fact}} tag. I already stated in Talk:Unreal Tournament 2007 that that portion would be removed if no citation was provided.

Maybe you could take a look at the article and see if the OR tag is warranted or if there's other stuff in there that needs clarifying or citing.

Thanks,

Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 00:39, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes, I had a look, and the referencing there is in bad shape. Without good and consistent references, it's likely there is some OR. User:Ryu Kaze is a regular FAC contributor in the computer games area, which I know little about: maybe you can ask him to help out? Sandy 00:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you strike out with Ryu, another good computer games editor is User:Deckiller. Sandy 03:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I've popped a note on Ryu's talk page. We'll see where that leads before checking with Deckiller. :) Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 03:04, 13 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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The Dunn Experience AFD

I was sorely tempted to put in that WP is not meant for something I hallucinated after smoking certain herbs. :-P

Oh, you mean: been there, Dunn that? Pleather 01:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

And enjoyed every moment of it! :D Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 02:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe that's the Dunn Experience! LOL Torinir _{( Ding my phone} _{My support calls} _{E-Support Options )} 02:01, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Unreal Tournament 2007

Hi. I'm sorry for the slow reply. I've just been very busy lately and haven't had time to check in. I hate to add a poor response to a slow reply, but I don't think I would be of much help with this article, as I'm rather unfamiliar with the subject, and I haven't had a lot of time for Wikipedia lately.

I'm sorry that I won't be able to help, but I wish you luck with the article, and I encourage you to follow Sandy's suggestion and see if User:Deckiller can help out. He's a great computer and video games contributor. Again, good luck. Ryu Kaze 00:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No response from Deckiller to this point, but I think the article should be improved enough to warrant tag removal. Torinir _{( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options )} 00:35, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article looks like it's off to a decent start; I'll give it a few tweaks. — Deckill e r 06:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unico master 15

I'm pretty sure the latest vandal IP (User:221.150.23.165) is User:Unico master 15. Compare style, and, revealingly, edit summaries between [10] and [11]. Nysin 01:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is the first I've seen of Wikipedia:Administrator_intervention_against_vandalism, but it looks exactly appropriate, indeed. Nysin 00:19, 22 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I added it to AIV: [12]. Also - the only objection I have to your revert is that it also reverted [13], which seems pretty unobjectionable (actually, I'm not sure how much the games should be listed in the section intros at all, but it doesn't bother me either). Still, in [14] someone came back and did the edit again, so it didn't end up mattering. Nysin 11:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inconclusive outcome: [15]. Nysin 13:50, 23 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

PEST AfD

Hi; sorry to bother you about this, but I discovered more info about the PEST article and it does indeed appear to be a hoax. The claims of recent usage by Crockspot appear to be incorrect; the claim that Ted Kennedy or other pundits (with the possible exception of Rush Limbaugh) used it is false. The AHA - the organization the doctor who coined the term is the Executive Director of - is a small new age quack organization in Boca Raton, not a professional organization of psychologists like the APA. The Columbia Journalism Review ridiculed the Boca Raton paper that published about this "phenomenon" for taking the doctor seriously. Of course, you may still think the article is worth keeping, but since you cited Crockspot's additions as the reason for your vote I thought I'd let you know about this new info.--csloat 09:27, 13 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Joy of Satan AfD enshrined for posterity as a source of amusement

Hee hee, that's brill ta. At least my work to expose the Reptilian Conspiracy will not be entirely forgottenMerkinsmum 03:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]