User talk: Torana

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Your signature

You seem to have a signature with an image in it. That is not allowed. See the signature policy, WP:SIGNATURE, and the particular guideline, WP:SIGIMAGE.

You may be able to find a character that looks the same or similar: Unicode has many strange and obscure alphabets including all sorts of letters, and the image in your signature looks a bit like a letter. But it can't be an image.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 02:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi John. The sign is actually one of Tolkiens Cirth, which I use as a bind rune.

I didn’t know the policy on en.wp, because I primarily edit in de.wp. I used to have a signature made of "obscure" Unicode letters, with the effect that some users only saw a bunch of placeholder chars (depending on OS, fonts installed, browser used ...), which kinda sucks in a signature. So there is actually a good reason why I use an image in my sig. The reasons for not using images mentioned on the pages you linked, those are less convincing in my opinion, so I’m gonna go with WP:IAR. Rgds _{•  • hugarheimur} 12:06, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately this isn't a guideline open to interpretation that can be ignored with good enough reason. It's a simple and clear rule. Please review WP:SIGIMAGE again, and take steps to make your signature conform with this policy. Images can't be used in signatures.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 19:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I did, actually. But obviously, you and I don’t understand "a widely accepted standard that all editors should normally follow" in quite the same way. Rgds _{•  • hugarheimur} 19:35, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Here's a first pass at your logo using only Unicode and HTML: 𐍉I – I'm sure it could be improved. One way or another you have to stop using an image in your signature.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 20:22, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice idea, actually, though it doesn’t really work for two reasons:

1. The position of the second letter depends too much on installed fonts and individual settings. In my case it is placed far to much to the left.

2. The first part of your glyph (Othala) is from the Gothic alphabet, which is rather obscure Unicode block. Many people won’t have the necessary fonts installed and even if they do, some browsers (I believe Chrome, but I’m not sure) still don’t display Unicode chars correctly. Still, thanks for the imput. _{•  • hugarheimur} 20:39, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Torana, I'm a big Tolkien fan (I read The Silmarillion until it fell apart) so I think your signature is pretty cool (I also happen to be a fan of Sindarin). But it's problematic and disruptive, and against our guideline. You need to change it. I know that you feel that because it's a guideline, WP:SIG is optional, but I assure you that it isn't. People can be blocked for violations after being warned and refusing to comply. -- Atama頭 21:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Since, as I already said, I don’t edit very much here on en.wp, I don’t think it’s worth my time, so instead of wasting more of it, I’m going to change the signature. You might consider rewording your "guidelines" and nominating WP:IAR for speedy deletion, though ...

Have a nice evening. Torana (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I for one appreciate that you changed it. Someone was blocked just last week for an improper signature - that section of the "guideline" is typically administered as a very strict policy. Thanks for taking care of it. Now, many admins would force you to go back and remove it from every place you've ever signed with it :-) the panda ₯’ 22:36, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Considering the "reasons" no. 6 and 8 on WP:SIGIMAGE vs. the signatures of you all here on my talk page, I was tempted to make myself a multicolored flashing html signature in 24px, but I’m not that spitefull ;o)

@DangerousPanda: Well, I might refer those hypothetical admins to what a famous German knight once said, not far from my home village actually ... Torana (talk) 23:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Such a signature would undoubtedly violate the WP:SIGAPP part of the policy and would need to be changed. In fact, if you had initially had such a signature, you could probably reasonably expect to be blocked sooner and to be fairly asked to change all the existing instances of such a signature by many admins and editors. (Such a signature now would violate WP:POINT and could easily result in an instant block, but I think you understand that?)

Incidentally, while I have no idea how the IAR in the German wikipedia is applied, it seems you may not understand how it's applied here. Here on the English wikipedia, IAR doesn't mean 'I can do what I want even if there are good community backed reasons I should not be doing something, if I disagree with the reasons I shouldn't be doing said thing'. Instead it says you don't have to follow the rules in cases where they will genuinely prevent you from improving or maintaining English.

In this case, there is no compelling reason why you need an image in your encylopaedia. While you desire to have a symbol you strongly identify with your signature is understandable, it's not actually vital to making the English wikipedia a better place. You still have plenty of customisation options and you're welcome to find one that best works for you. Indeed people have tried to help with that. If you are unwilling or less willing to work on wikipedia if you cannot have an image in your signature, that's unfortunate. But even if you were the primary contributor to many WP:FAs, in the communities eyes, the harm that would come to wikipedia from you being disallowed such a signature is still outweighed by the harm that could come from allowing images in signatures. Therefore there's nothing in IAR which would suggest you're allowed an image in your signature.

To be fair, IAR is a commonly misunderstood policy so you misunderstanding is not unusual. (But I wasn't aware until now that it's possible it's interpreted in different ways in other encyclopaedias, such as allowing greater harm (in the communities eyes) to come to the encyclopaedia because someone disagrees with the reasons behind the rules (or whatever). At least that's what your comments seem to imply about the German wikipedia.)

Nil Einne (talk) 02:27, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

There seems to be an awful lot going on here even after I declared EOD to save what little is still left of my precious life time. While I do appreciate the input of DangerousPanda and JohnBlackbourne (even though I obviously disagree with him), I don’t quite understand what your point is. I did change my signature, in case you hadn’t noticed, even if it was only to prevent further discussions (which didn’t work, either).

It is not like I was unwilling to cooperate, on the contrary, I brought up reasons for why I was using an image in my sig, at the same time pointing out that there aren’t actually any valid points against that. “Greater harm”, really? You now, I used to think we Germans were the bureaucrats …

As for the rest of your comment, I don’t think I need to answer that.

On a sidenote, I deeply resent what you are alluding to, namely that authors of FAs were to be treated in any way different than "ordinary" editors. In my opinion, that goes against the very basics of Wikipedia.

Rgds Torana (talk) 03:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is User:Torana, image in signature. Thank you.--JohnBlackburne^words_deeds 20:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Noted. Torana (talk) 21:32, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey! :)

Hello Torana,

Wanted to thank you once again for sending me material from one of the titles I requested recently. There's only one thing; the pages sent by you unfortunately do not include the material I was in dire need for the most. The material I kinda needed the most was centered around page 5. Do you perhaps have the possiblity to send page page 5 and the immediate pages before and after it as well? That would be great. :-) Bests - LouisAragon (talk) 22:06, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Oh damn it, seems I didn’t look close enough. In Germany there’s a saying Wer lesen kann, ist klar im Vorteil – being able to read gives you a clear advantage :o(. I’ve ordered the book at my library, but it may take some time until I can get you the scans. Again, I’m really sorry, LouisAragon. Rgds ✦ _hugarheimur 04:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

German to English translations

German to English please.

   FUNKAUFKLAERUNGS FUHRER REICH
   General Nachrichten FUHRER
   Hoeherer kommandeur der funk aufklaerung
   Funkmessbeobaghtung und stoerdienst
   Luftnachrichten Abteilung
   Luftnachrichten Regiment (Radio intelligence regiment?)
   Oberbefehlshaber der luftwaffe
   Oberkommando der luftwaffe (High command of the Liuftwaffe)
   Zentraler gefecchtsstand fuer funkauswertung

Hi Torana, I wonder if you could give a hand to translate these. I have posted them at the language reference desk, but it seems to have stalled. It is for a org chart for the Luftwaffe Luftnachrichten Abteiling 350 article, a signals intelligence organization. The article name seemed to be needing changed. It from a TICOM org chart, with the legend written in an American military style. scope_creep (talk) 14:37, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

@scope_creep: I’ve answered there. Cheers ✦ _hugarheimur 08:12, 1 August 2017 (UTC)

Re substituting for umlaut in German

Hi. In Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request, you wrote

Also, Geschichtsblätter should be rendered …blaetter when the Umlaut is not available.

But I'm not sure if this is good advice in that context. Sure, "ae" is sometimes used as a substitute, but when you're searching some library catalogs, such as ODR, then entering "Geschichtsblatter" in the search box will find you some entries with the word "Geschichtsblätter", but entering "Geschichtsblaetter" instead finds nothing. – b_jonas 12:18, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi b_jonas, that’s actually a good point: never underestimate the stupidity of computers. I just did a little test and found that while WorldCat indeed can’t handle the ae correctly, Google and KVK do – with the latter giving (correct but) unhelpful results when using only a, which in German is really is a different letter. So it’s probably best to use the ä, even if it’s not directly available on your keyboard.

However, thankfully my first suggestion was more usefull, and Drmies did get help at the German resource exchange (@Drmies: you might mark the thread here at REX as solved, too). Cheers ✦ _hugarheimur 00:00, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

404 error on your user page

Hey, the img on your userpage should link to a poem at http://k007.kiwi6.com/hotlink/jlgorg5zil/derrherrgott.mp3, but iy's a 404 error link. Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 14:33, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, Lingzhi. I thought I’d tested this link relatively recently, but the hoster seems to be unreliable. If you’re interested, maybe this link will work (and you can find the lyrics here – it’s written in my home dialect, Hohenlohisch). Rgds ✦ _hugarheimur 14:48, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

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Nephilim

Hi :))

Im adding some Links to the description of /ˈnɛfɪˌlɪm/. May it help shed some light.

Language complexity and historic development: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaSxhcns7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLk47AMBdTA http://www.frenchtutorial.com/en/learn-french/basics/le_la_les

The science of dimensional space with Phi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_sjsgDTBJU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTlw7fNcO-0

The science of gravitational roles in defining: time, space, dimension, and a negative force which is defining decension and how a nɛfɪˌlɪm knows how to ascend from a lower dimensional place such as the universe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbPWYjnQIO8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2suMPiuog4

A big bang theory, so to speak... With these videos in mind, i hope you can see how precise it is. Language is a mathematical mental coordinational designed matrix trough algebraic definable values. It comes in many shapes, but English has deriviancy from many roots. The languages I'm bringing into the light in this particular case is: Norse, Cosmological Math values in definable terms, And Latin based.

/ˈnɛfɪˌlɪm/
'nɛ = From old Norse: Ned, Negere = Negate, Down. nəˈɡāt / Which way is down anyways? Isn't gravity down? 
 fɪ = From Italian, or Latin = Space trough 3 dimensions.
 l = Latin, Spanish, or french development, meaning: The.
 ɪm = I: The Image of one, The identical one. M: The binding of identical value to it's self,

When spoken it sounds: >>>Down from under that i am.<<< Or: >>>Down from under that is he<<< Or: >>>Down from under that is all of them<<< That is the actual meaning of nephilim.

The entitlement speaks to me.. From down under of the space that is, creation of a god like entity still exist. Nefilim, Hints to me and say: Inferilim. In a way to remind the entitled one, that you will forever remain imperfect.
 Nephilim is therefore a half god, So it says: Don't think you are strong, for you are puny. nephil also means: Defile. Meaning: Denegated proppertial perciviance. 
  Property, of: Mind, power, possession, or physical holy depictiancy. To say. One must defile before being purified. They never fell. I see... Phel, was the fell or the fall. Obvious....

 It also states that it is only ashes in the fire of the phel. Phel is the burning radiance bound by our resistance PHysics related frequency bound by Ohm. Phelim. Therefore is Phelative. Latin. Definitely. 
 phil  Therefore also states gender preferial abundance. Or phile. Its a sort of craving of a preferance of the liking of expectational greatness one might find in one self. A half god, looks only for its phile preferance therefore. Nephilim, is therefore not only an entitlement of power display, nor intelectual superior design compared to the weak of mind. It is a progress under the eye of it all. Destiny is a fools errand. A fool would only make a nephalem: worth - less. 

Alem: This word in Nephalious astricularity. Denies the mythbunk of the fallen ones. For Alem means: All of them. Or All men. Or all mankind. The entitlement therefore is a descension of space. The Phel, the fall, of which is the imagery trough the mind of the author, and most of us all.. Is the heavens. For the heavens have all fallen. Yet the nephilim ascend. Nephalem. phalem. The fire within all of them. Or All of man. It is hard to see the difference when the fire in our hearths is just the same as the heavens, So little of a spark to compare to, when seen at the same sized proportions.

 Ohm is the power stated by the big bang. Atoms fused together. The same fire, and physicality. Same in the existent value of sparking sentience. The imagery of GOD, which we all was created in, states that: We are all to become 
 gods. The Nephalem, or Nephilim are just the most of interest to become gods the fastest they can. That makes the Nephilim, highly religious and sacred men and women. That makes sense.

 phi time mind 
 Dead Undead living alike. 

Have a nice day :) <3 - Hyste— Preceding unsigned comment added by Hystepr0 (talk • contribs) 00:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

This isn’t really the right place for content discussions, those belong on the article’s talk page. But to prevent frustration, let me tell you that your chances there are also rather minimal, and Wikipedia might not be the right place for your concerns & intentions. Wikipedia reflects WP:reliable sources. Private opinions – yours or mine – and original research are not permitted.

Just a hint: nefilim is a plural (like seraphim, cherubim), the singular being nafil. Cheers ⌘ _hugarheimur 06:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I guess you are right, but... Nafil, isnt nephral. Of which is a fire consuming integral part of Nephilim's ascension. Epinephrine, Epinephral. Hormones n shit. Ephareldar, the fire from an old one. Ascension and shit. Anyway, thanks for the fruit <3

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Quotation marks

Hi Torana, I just wanted to let you know that one of your recent edits at Talk:Stefan_Molyneux incorrectly refactored and reformatted all quotation marks on that page. I don't know how that happens, maybe some of your language settings? Just wanted to let you know. I have no idea how to fix that but it broke the page formatting... Best --Mvbaron (talk) 09:29, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Mvbaron: Oops. That must have been one of my user scripts acting up. And since it was just a simple revert, I didn't use preview. My bad. Thanks for cleaning up after me, sorry for that. ⌘ 11:41, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

no problem :D I thought it must’ve been something like that. Cheers — Mvbaron (talk) 12:51, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

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The talk page

It is you who needs to use the talk page and explain what the weasel words are. Alan B. Samuels (talk) 19:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Resolved

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OAN

Sorry for calling you stupid in the revert, that was in the moment because your own revision comment came across as sassy to me and I feel it was simply right to give it in return. If the country above says "A" country, it's only natural to conclude that "nationwide" is broadcast within said "A" country, otherwise that section is simply repetitive.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 22:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Yeah. I got that too. After a substandard day, my trigger finger was a little light. No hard feelings. ❖ _hugarheimur 09:30, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

A long and boring story

See User talk:Jclemens/Archive 14#Not fully unicode compliant etc. AnonMoos (talk) 18:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

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